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rein Dec 10, 2015

The episodic format of the remake doesn't bother me much in itself.  What bothers me is that given Square Enix's track record, the episodes are going to be released over the span of years.  That's not the right way to episodic.

I also wouldn't put it past no-shits-given Square Enix to casually abort the remake partway through the episodes.

XLord007 Dec 10, 2015

GoldfishX wrote:

Edit: I think a VERY possible scenario is they completely over-design this thing and it ends up similar to Xenosaga.

Agreed. There's definitely a solid chance of that happening.

Zorbfish Dec 11, 2015

If we could get fully designed pieces that can be viewed/playable as a stand alone product with just carry over between parts I think I could get behind it. But I just don't see that happening. Square's and players perspective of what content is is just too different now. We saw this with 13.

Sadly new or additional gameplay will probably cost as much or more than hi-res animation and cinematics and that just doesn't sell. It would kill the hype and brand.

Amazingu Dec 11, 2015

rein wrote:

What bothers me is that given Square Enix's track record, the episodes are going to be released over the span of years.

Have they done episodic games before?
The only one I know of is Life is Strange, which had a "normal" release schedule for an episodic game.
And no, FFXIII-2 and 3 don't count, because those are sequels, not episodes.

Jay Dec 11, 2015

FFIV The After Years jumps to mind. Actually, they may have done a few others on mobile but I don't know how comparable they are in terms of being relevant here.

Ashley Winchester Dec 11, 2015

Jay wrote:

FFIV The After Years jumps to mind.

When this was made physical wasn't it bundled with the remastered FFIV on the PSP in the Complete Collection?

Dragonfish Dog Dec 12, 2015 (edited Dec 12, 2015)

Amazingu wrote:
rein wrote:

What bothers me is that given Square Enix's track record, the episodes are going to be released over the span of years.

Have they done episodic games before?
The only one I know of is Life is Strange, which had a "normal" release schedule for an episodic game.
And no, FFXIII-2 and 3 don't count, because those are sequels, not episodes.

Technically, Life Is Strange is by Dontnod Entertainment (if you could call it entertainment), but published by Square-Enix. As far as I know, Square-Enix had ZERO hand in the design of the game, or how it was released.

As for the Final Fantasy VII remake, the more I hear people talk about it, I reiterate what I've always said: They really ought to just make a Final Fantasy VII anime (or 3D CG animated series).

What was the short Final Fantasy VII anime that was eventually packaged in with the Advent Children movie? Was it "Last Order?" I've never even actually seen it yet, I think it was pretty obscure, all considered; was it a Japan only release? Was it even dubbed in English?

Ashley Winchester Dec 12, 2015

Dragonfish Dog wrote:

As for the Final Fantasy VII remake, the more I hear people talk about it, I reiterate what I've always said: They really ought to just make a Final Fantasy VII anime (or 3D CG animated series).

I don't know. I don't feel this way about Final Fantasy VII, but I've always felt this way about the first Xenosaga. The first game would be so great if it wasn't for the freaking gameplay and that's... just a terrible thing to say about a game in general.

I bought a copy of the pre-order DVD with the first game's cut scenes on it and honestly I'd rather own that than the game itself. I thought the story was good.

And yes, I know saying this is ironic given there is a Xenosaga anime.

Amazingu Dec 12, 2015

Dragonfish Dog wrote:

Technically, Life Is Strange is by Dontnod Entertainment (if you could call it entertainment)?

Haha, I'm guessing you didn't like it then?
I dunno, I've heard a LOT of positive things about it, and I quite liked the demo.
I bought the full season for $10 recently and I'm looking forward to trying it out.

XLord007 Dec 12, 2015

Let's keep in mind that Squenix said the FF7 Remake would be released in parts, not that it would be episodic. Each part is supposed to be a "complete" game, whatever that means. There's a lot of different ways this could play out, from true episodic to FFXIII style sequels or perhaps something less conventional like a series of games that tell different tales with different game systems.

Dragonfish Dog Mar 15, 2016 (edited Mar 15, 2016)

Amazingu wrote:
Dragonfish Dog wrote:

Technically, Life Is Strange is by Dontnod Entertainment (if you could call it entertainment)?

Haha, I'm guessing you didn't like it then?
I dunno, I've heard a LOT of positive things about it, and I quite liked the demo.
I bought the full season for $10 recently and I'm looking forward to trying it out.

Getting to this rather late, I know, but let me have at it anyway.

Yes, I'm probably one of the few people on the planet who HATED Life Is Strange.

I don't understand the critical acclaim it's getting, especially from intelligent people who are averse to bullshit; even YouTubers like Total Biscuit and Alpha Omega Sin quite liked it; I can't help imagining that they were paid off to say good things about it.

When you get down to it, Life Is Strange is teen drama and teen angst cranked up until the dial breaks off, it's high school girls bitching about first world problems, and the time rewind mechanic is there to give somewhat of a sci-fi bent to what is essentially a high school story, but they don't really do anything with it. Really, the time rewind mechanic is only there so you don't have to reset the game every time you want to go back and change a choice you made. For that matter, much like a lot of "choice-and-consequence" point-and-click games these days, your choices don't really matter until the very end. I'm talking, like, Catherine levels of "don't matter," but Catherine was at least funny and stylish.

One of these days, I'm going to be making a YouTube Let's Play! series lampooning this game to hell and back; I'm actually working on a script right now, but my capture device and editing software are horrible, so I'm probably going to need to replace those.

My God, this game was so depressing though, I got sick and bedridden for a week; true story, not kidding. Got the date on my save file and the doctor's bill to prove it. The ending SUCKED. May not have been as PAINFUL as the Evangelion anime (I vomited over the side of the tub after finishing that one), but it still hurt me pretty profoundly.

My advice, just replay Heavy Rain (or play it for the first time, if you haven't) if you really want to play a game like this. At the very least, Heavy Rain is actually unintentionally funny in many places, as is Beyond: Two Souls. I still haven't gotten to the point in that game where Ellen Page is crying while sitting on the toilet, however. Honestly, I'd love to riff on those games, too.

Idolores Mar 15, 2016

Dragonfish Dog wrote:

My God, this game was so depressing though, I got sick and bedridden for a week; true story, not kidding. Got the date on my save file and the doctor's bill to prove it. The ending SUCKED. May not have been as PAINFUL as the Evangelion anime (I vomited over the side of the tub after finishing that one), but it still hurt me pretty profoundly.

I played the demo for Life is Strange and it felt like it was written by someone who doesn't understand teens or drama, and had only a cursory glance at a gaggle of high schoolers before putting his pen to work.

I gotta say, though, as a huge Evangelion fan, that if this is your barometer for shittiness, the full Life is Strange game must be pretty f---ing awesome.

TerraEpon Mar 15, 2016

L:ife is Stange is one of the most emotionally invested games I've ever played.

*shrug*

avatar! Mar 16, 2016 (edited Mar 16, 2016)

I actually enjoyed Life is Strange. You could argue that it's not exactly in touch with teenagers, then again, would you really want to play a game that accurately portrays most teens and/or is written by teenagers?! No thanks smile I thought the ending was pretty asinine. Basically the game was all about "your decisions affect the present, past, and future!" and then it turns out at the end that no matter what you did you ended up with the exact two endings. LAME.
Still, I enjoy such games as LiS and Heavy Rain. So for me it was an enjoyable experience, although not as good as Heavy Rain.

TerraEpon Mar 16, 2016

Well....the decisions DO affect the story. Sometimes in a way that makes you unable to even make a later decision, as it were. It's more about the journey than the destination. Though I think most people agree the last episode and the endings were not up to par with what went before.
But the game made ME so invested in it I actually have been reading a HELLA lot of fanfic of it, and though I enjoy fanfics the number of media that I actually regularly will read from has always been pretty small.

Oh wait, wasn't this topic about FF7? Eh.

Dragonfish Dog Mar 18, 2016 (edited Mar 18, 2016)

TerraEpon wrote:

L:ife is Stange is one of the most emotionally invested games I've ever played.

*shrug*

Emotionally invested? More like emotionally EXHAUSTING.

I wouldn't have such a problem with Life Is Strange if it wasn't just bleakness all the time; at least Evangelion had some slapstick and sexual innuendo, among other jokes, to help wash down the otherwise soul-crushing human drama. Then again, the soul-crushing human drama was certainly in the latter half (or later) of the series, without being broken up by much comedy, either, now that I think of it.

The game DOES attempt humor, but the jokes are about selfies and cat pics, and said jokes simply involve, more or less, just thinking it's funny that such things exist, like the words themselves are funny or something. "Selfies." LAUGH at that, damn you, the game says to me.

Too bad Life Is Strange considers itself too high-brow for slapstick or sexual innuendo. Okay, there was the one kid who bent his dick skateboarding.

Just remember, we can never consider accidents or prat falls by women to be funny, ever. All that shit ever done by actresses like Amanda Bynes? Demeaning to women [/sarcasm].

Idolores wrote:

I played the demo for Life is Strange and it felt like it was written by someone who doesn't understand teens or drama, and had only a cursory glance at a gaggle of high schoolers before putting his pen to work.

avatar! wrote:

I actually enjoyed Life is Strange. You could argue that it's not exactly in touch with teenagers, then again, would you really want to play a game that accurately portrays most teens and/or is written by teenagers?! No thanks smile

As far as I was always concerned, Life Is Strange has American teens pegged to a "T" (and the game was written by Frenchies, for chrissakes) but I guess I wouldn't really know for sure, being 34 and all.

Idolores wrote:

I played the demo for Life is Strange and it felt like it was written by someone who doesn't understand teens or drama, and had only a cursory glance at a gaggle of high schoolers before putting his pen to work.

I gotta say, though, as a huge Evangelion fan, that if this is your barometer for shittiness, the full Life is Strange game must be pretty f---ing awesome.

It's not that I found Evangelion shitty, but it made me pretty damn depressed, and more or less convinced me - during my formative teenage years - that people in general were psychotic, and all have some sort of psychological, mental disorder. Not even joking; I pretty damn well WITHDREW from humanity for some time after watching Evangelion. I don't know when it really was I recovered from watching that show. There are so few legitimately traumatizing works of fiction as Evangelion (I mean, c'mon, it's about the end of the f---ing world!) Anything else more traumatizing would be a non-fictional, historical account of people escaping from Nazi Germany, or North Korea, or about the Holocaust, or Auschwitz, or in general, accounts of life under totalitarian, dystopian dictatorships or post-apocalyptic events.

Granted, I probably read more into Evangelion than I should have - little discretionary income at the time, but a free internet connection meant that fan sites about the show were a primary source of entertainment or pre-occupation at the time. But Goddamn, if the girls I knew in high school didn't, on some level, remind me of Asuka Langley Sohryu.

It also probably didn't help that I watched the suicide scene ON REPEAT, because I was watching the show late at night, and trying to stay awake against drifting off to sleep, that I probably totally fucked MYSELF in the head; I forget how many times I must've repeated that, because (1) I couldn't believe what was happening, and (2) Was having trouble paying attention. Also, bug-eyed Rei Ayanami coming towards you from the screen. Creepier than The Ring (I was actually bored out of my mind by The Ring - it was playing on a Greyhound bus I once rode for travel late at night, and remember saying, "Stop screaming, I'm trying to sleep here."

And yes, Life Is Strange has a suicide scene in it, too. SPOILERS! Who am I kidding, you'll see it coming from 15 miles away. Not nearly as traumatic as Evangelion, though. It's really just the constant whining in Life Is Strange that got to me, and mainly from Chloe, with Max and Kate being 2nd and 3rd.

Suffice it to say, I don't really watch/consume a whole lot of teen-oriented content these days. At least, not WESTERN teen-oriented content. Japanese high school anime, on the other hand, are usually pretty damn upbeat (Persona 3 & 4, for example).

Yeah, I know, the irony is that I'm whining about a game that has a lot of whining in it, like I'm whining back at it for whining at me. It's like it has the subconscious power to turn intelligent people into whiners.

avatar! wrote:

Basically the game was all about "your decisions affect the present, past, and future!" and then it turns out at the end that no matter what you did you ended up with the exact two endings. LAME.

THANK YOU. The fact that even a single person I've come across is willing to admit this means SO MUCH to me!

I also hate how the game more or less tells you to eat shit on account of the choices you made, no matter that they didn't really GIVE you choices, or the choices more or less resulted in the same outcome, except for the very last choice in the game.

The ending was pretty fatalistic, too; it more or less teaches you the life lesson that, after you've fucked up some much in life (in the case of Chloe), you're permanently fucked, and there's no going back, so the best thing you can do is DIE. That's just the darkest, most depressing thing you can probably ever tell someone: "You're fucked, and there's nothing you can do about it."

Never have I come across such a game that felt like it wanted to punish me for playing it! It's like Dontnod was taking it out on everybody because Remember Me didn't sell very well - which I didn't understand. It was a sci-fi action game with combat mechanics, and climbing mechanics rather similar to Uncharted. How did it not end up being so popular, but then toss everyone a rather basic, unimaginative high school story, and everyone makes it the most popular thing ever!

There are very few games in the world that I revile like Life Is Strange. Most crappy games, or games that I hate, I can simply ignore, but Life Is Strange is a game that HURT me, more so than even some British, surreal, avant-garde horror film.

TerraEpon wrote:

Oh wait, wasn't this topic about FF7? Eh.

Yes, but someone ended up mentioning Life Is Strange, because it was published by Square-Enix. P.S. I had originally thought this was the indie game thread; having enough tabs open at one time, I'm bound to get confused enough.

Fact is, I probably wouldn't have even found out about Life Is Strange if it didn't have the Square-Enix label on it. Probably wouldn't have discovered Remember Me if it weren't for the Capcom label on it, either. I mean, who is Dontnod Entertainment anyway, right? (Some obscure French developer).

(Phew). I think I'm done whining about Life Is Strange now, though. I finally got all that out there. Now that I'm done with the game, I can finally move on to something more enjoyable and carefree. Whining about life and focusing on the negative is the kind of thing I did when I was teenager; now that I'm older, I just wanna enjoy life.

Ashley Winchester Apr 12, 2016

With what was recently said about this game (multiple games; each from a different perspective; full price each time) I'm glad I'm not interested in this.

And comparing what they want to do with it release wise to the XIII trilogy? Bad juju man, bad juju.

Also might want to avoid the phrase "anything is up for grabs" when it comes to what you might be changing.

Amazingu Apr 12, 2016

TerraEpon wrote:

Did they actually comment on the price? I just saw a comment on the size.

I don't think they did, but considering they're saying each game is going to be a full-sized RPG (like the XIII series), I think it would be safe to assume they're going to be $60 each, and probably more in Japan.

longhairmike Apr 14, 2016

our ps3 has seen a grand total of TWO games over its lifetime,, i can't see myself forking out money for another console even for a new FF7

jb Apr 14, 2016

I bought my PS4 specifically for this remake and FFXV!  In fact, I've bought my last 2 consoles specifically for one game (PS3 --> FFXIII, then Ni no Kuni, WiiU --> Hyrule Warriors).  I'm perfectly fine with everything about it. People will find anything to complain about these days.

Ashley Winchester Apr 14, 2016

jb wrote:

I'm perfectly fine with everything about it. People will find anything to complain about these days.

God, so much fail in here. Must resist touching the poo...

Adam Corn Apr 16, 2016

Ashley Winchester wrote:

God, so much fail in here. Must resist touching the poo...

If you're going to criticize someone or something then please put some substance behind it. This passive-aggressive business is a waste of everyone else's time.

Ashley Winchester Apr 17, 2016

Adam Corn wrote:
Ashley Winchester wrote:

God, so much fail in here. Must resist touching the poo...

If you're going to criticize someone or something then please put some substance behind it. This passive-aggressive business is a waste of everyone else's time.

Hey, if you want to defend that trash I won't stop you from wasting your time.

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