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Angela Nov 13, 2008

XLord007 wrote:

Saw this at my local premiere tonight.  The premiere event was a lot of fun, but the movie was not.  I don't feel like writing a full review just yet, but to get straight to the point, there is very little that is right in this movie.  It doesn't feel like a Bond movie, it's herky-jerky, there's no pizzaz, and Marc Forster's lousy direction doesn't give you a chance to care about any of the characters because he's so busy trying to get the thing over with.  I'll write more after I've had more time to think about it, but for now, chalk this one up as wasted potential.

XLord hath spoken.  Pity to hear; I'm hoping I'll have a better time with it.

James O Nov 14, 2008

I was able to nab a pass to a screening tonight.  I've always liked Bond, and to me this was no exception.  It is the shortest Bond film yet I believe, and it could have used a bit more time so that it didn't seem so busy trying to get it over with as XLord put it.  I had also just rewatched Casino Royale before seeing this a few days before (the collector's edition on Blu-ray too on me new Sony Bravia 55" XBR8 and it's a complete dream) so I was well prepared to watch the movie.  I liked the nod to the Canadian spy near the end of the movie heh, cause even though I live here, I don't think of Canada having a spy/intelligence agency that operates like the CIA or MI6 would.

Angela Nov 14, 2008

James O wrote:

I had also just rewatched Casino Royale before seeing this a few days before (the collector's edition on Blu-ray too on me new Sony Bravia 55" XBR8 and it's a complete dream) so I was well prepared to watch the movie.

Can I come over and watch, o' dear neighbor to the north?  I'll supply the martinis.

XLord007 Nov 14, 2008

Quick complaint about the soundtrack: for some reason, the rather catchy David Arnold composed "Crawl, End Crawl" isn't on here.  Since it's composed by Arnold and the soundtrack is 95% his stuff, its omission is rather odd, especially since there's plenty of room on the disc for it.

Angela Nov 14, 2008 (edited Nov 16, 2008)

XLord007 wrote:

Quick complaint about the soundtrack: for some reason, the rather catchy David Arnold composed "Crawl, End Crawl" isn't on here.  Since it's composed by Arnold and the soundtrack is 95% his stuff, its omission is rather odd, especially since there's plenty of room on the disc for it.

Ah, another reason for me to stay for the end credits.  I always do, from a musical appreciation standpoint.

EDIT: Got to listen to it.  Eh, it's a decent little piece, but nothing to write home about.  It basically sounds like an extension of the already-featured track "Inside Man."

Angela Nov 16, 2008

Saw the movie tonight.  I liked it enough, but it's no Casino Royale - a comparison I was mulling over even making, but after seeing the film, there's no doubt in my mind: comparisons have to be made.  The story threads and its key characters are cut from the same mold, after all. 

I didn't have a problem with the length of the film; it's lean, and felt about right for the story they were aiming to tell.  I think that if one goes in with the mindset that Solace is the functioning second half of Royale, one can appreciate the brevity.  Sort of like an extended finale.  I liked one reviewer's sentiment that while Royale may have felt too long and Solace too short, if you combine the two together, you end up with a film that could be considered a singular whole.   The general story beats are easy enough to follow, but the finer details delivered through the brief bits of dialogue got severely lost in the shuffle.  Reading up on the central plot on Wikipedia after watching the film helped a lot, and I have a feeling that the plot and its motivating drives would be much clearer to understand on a second viewing.

Craig and Dench are the true stars here; twin pillars of class, and the scenes they share with each other are always show-stealers.  I did like Kurylenko's Camille - her kindred motivations of revenge with Bond made for an angle that helped fuel the pivotal tone throughout.  Arterton's Fields felt sadly tacked on, but did allow for a nice visual send-up from Goldfinger - and Amalric's Greene didn't quite have the villainy presence of past Bond flicks, but he does get one hell of a fight scene toward the end.   Wright's Felix Leiter was a welcome return, but he should've had more to do.  And Giannini's Mathis, equally welcome, provided the strongest emotional tie-over from Royale - specifically, Bond's dissolved relationship with Vesper.

Now here comes the biggest complaint: the direction of the action.  Granted, the sequences do possess a viscerally kinetic charge that's undeniably exciting to watch, it's hard to excuse Forster's piss-poor editing and skewered quick cuts that simply doesn't allow one to appreciate what's going on half of the time.  It worked for Bourne, but it really doesn't work here.  The other problem is there's no emotive reasoning behind much of the action.  They happen so quickly, so rawly, and so on the fly that you don't have time to connect to the circumstances or the characters involved.  You're rooting for Bond when he's systematically tracking down an airplane bomber throughout Miami International.  The feeling isn't quite so mutual when he finds a contact in Haiti and drops the poor bastard in under a minute.

One other thing that irked the shit out of me was that they constantly had Bond nonchalantly "tossing things aside."  It worked swell in Royale after he deliberately slammed the SUV that belonged to the guy who thought he was a valet.  But here, he does it to the cell phone when he's through speaking in the car.  And the hotel room key.  And the handle after he broke it off the door.  It's like they're trying to emphasize his cool "I don't give a damn" attitude, but having him do it over and over made him look like a jackass.

The movie does tie up the avenging-of-Vesper story arch, which does leave one guessing what direction they'll go for the next movie.  And another one there will be: is there any doubt when the end credits explicitly states in big bold words, "James Bond Will Return"?

XLord007 Nov 16, 2008 (edited Nov 16, 2008)

Angela wrote:

is there any doubt when the end credits explicitly states in big bold words, "James Bond Will Return"?

The "James Bond Will Return" line in the credits is an essential component of every Bond film, right up there with the main titles, vocal song, and gun barrel opening (which for some reason is at the end of QoS).  In many of the old films, they actually said "James Bond Will Return in [insert title here]."  In fact, For Your Eyes Only is cited as being the next film at the end of both The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker.

Angela Nov 16, 2008

XLord007 wrote:

The "James Bond Will Return" line in the credits is an essential component of every Bond film

Ah, I didn't know that.  In truth, it's been a long time since I've watched any of the older Bond flicks, but it's something I likely couldn't have noticed anyway; my accompanying movie-goers never had the patience to let me stay all the way till the end of the credits back then. :p

Angela Mar 25, 2009

XLord007 wrote:

Quick complaint about the soundtrack: for some reason, the rather catchy David Arnold composed "Crawl, End Crawl" isn't on here.  Since it's composed by Arnold and the soundtrack is 95% his stuff, its omission is rather odd, especially since there's plenty of room on the disc for it.

This one's for you, XLord: a DVD rip of the full end credits, which includes the obligatory James Bond Theme, and Crawl, End Crawl:

Quantum of Solace - End Credits:
http://www.mediafire.com/?vqynfbyi5jb

XLord007 Mar 26, 2009

Angela wrote:

This one's for you, XLord: a DVD rip of the full end credits, which includes the obligatory James Bond Theme, and Crawl, End Crawl:

Quantum of Solace - End Credits:
http://www.mediafire.com/?vqynfbyi5jb

Many thanks.

This reminds me, I still have to remember to pick up the DVD.

I've been reading the old Fleming books pretty intensely lately... it's amazing what a different world that was.

Angela Jan 6, 2010

Thought this kind of news wasn't quite worthy of an entirely new thread, but it's still pretty newsworthy.  It's looking like Sam Mendes (The Road To Perdition, Revolutionary Road) is set to direct Bond 23.  Could be a promising choice:

http://www.cinematical.com/2010/01/05/s … bond-film/

I was secretly hoping Martin Campbell would return, given his stellar work on Golden Eye and Casino Royale.  But at this point, I believe anyone would be better than Forster -- the more I watch Quantum of Solace, the more I hate it.

James O Jan 6, 2010

I seem to recall Daniel Craig saying that he wasn't going to three Bond movies somewhere in between doing Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace... when did that change?  I don't remember that ever being in the press anywhere that he had changed his mind.

XLord007 Jan 7, 2010

James O wrote:

I seem to recall Daniel Craig saying that he wasn't going to three Bond movies somewhere in between doing Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace... when did that change?  I don't remember that ever being in the press anywhere that he had changed his mind.

My understanding is that he is going to do four films, but I'm not sure where I got that from.

Angela Jan 7, 2010

XLord007 wrote:
James O wrote:

I seem to recall Daniel Craig saying that he wasn't going to three Bond movies somewhere in between doing Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace... when did that change?  I don't remember that ever being in the press anywhere that he had changed his mind.

My understanding is that he is going to do four films, but I'm not sure where I got that from.

Wasn't he contracted to do five films from the very start? 

At the very least, we know he'll be onboard for Bond 23:

http://commanderbond.net/8348/daniel-cr … -2011.html

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