Soundtrack Central The best of VGM and other great soundtracks

Please sign up or log in for the best forum experience!

avatar! Apr 11, 2009

Why do drunk drivers just get a slap on the wrist in this contry?
Seriously, it seems like if you're caught driving drunk, you're hardly punished. For example:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/10/cal … index.html

and there are numerous cases where drunk drivers smash and kill people while driving with a suspended license. In my opinion, if you're caught drunk driving, you should lose your car. That way, you'll no longer be able drive. Anyway, just thought I'd share my thoughts!

-avatar!

Idolores Apr 11, 2009

I hear you, but people come up with all sorts of excuses.

- "I need the car tomorrow morning"
- "Everyone else does it"
- "I drive better when drunk"
- "I only live a sort while away"

All of these are easily circumvented by planning and/or common sense, so there really is no excuse whatsoever.

Jodo Kast Apr 11, 2009

We already know that education, punishment and prohibition are not effective means of solving alcohol related problems. By now, one of them would have worked. So that means we have to try something else.

Qui-Gon Joe Apr 11, 2009

Severe penalties for drunk driving seem to work in Japan - over there it seemed everyone was terrified of getting behind the wheel after a single drink.  It was kind of nice!

Razakin Apr 11, 2009

Let's allow goverment cut drunk driver's legs off. That should teach them a lesson.

But then, maybe car removal, some jail-time + mandatory AA-course or some other treatment would help.

Though, can't remember was it in here Finland or some other EU-country that they're doing somekind of breathing test thingy for cars. So if you're drunk and fail the test, motor won't start up.

Bernhardt Apr 11, 2009 (edited Apr 11, 2009)

Don't know what you're talking about...I know quite a few people who've been convicted of DUIs, and they're not allowed to drive anymore...their lives are pretty much ruined.

I guess it depends on how much you bribe the law not to throw the book at you...

Razakin Apr 11, 2009

Bernhardt wrote:

Don't know what you're talking about...I know quite a few people who've been convicted of DUIs, and they're not allowed to drive anymore...their lives are pretty much ruined.

Ruined because they can't drive anymore? Public transportation, two feet or bicycle could help a bit, depending if they need to travel a lot to work.

And really, they caused their lives to be ruined by being idiots and drunk driving.

Sure please inform more about how their everyday life is ruined.

Crash wrote:

Speaking of ignition interlocks, here is an article about that concept from 2006.  Of particular note, at the time, these devices cost about $1,000.  If these were made mandatory, as some legislators were considering, the cost of every car would go up by at least that much.

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/200 … usat_x.htm

Ah sounds good. And probably car prices would rise a bit but then, if it will keep drunkards off the driveway and in the bars, it's good.

Sure, it would be an annoying hassle to keep blowing everytime you hop in, but then, maybe that could also save the enviroment a bit, people would be so pissed off because of the blowing that they would start walking on cycling.

But then, could there be an alternative to that breath analyzer? Probably not.

Ashley Winchester Apr 11, 2009

Razakin wrote:

if it will keep drunkards off the driveway and in the bars, it's good.

I don't know if I'm the only one, but I just stay the hell away from bars in general. If I want to drink I just go get the booze, bring it home and then drink it. Just cuts a lot of "what if's" and problems out of the way. If I get tanked my bed is right there for me to sleep it off - no worring about cops, fines, fights.

Chris Apr 12, 2009

A no tolerance policy is required in terms of the law. I'd also like to see much more policing of traffic in general so that more people get caught. In my town at least, I knew a few boy racers and a girl racer who literally drove around suburban streets at 60-70 mph and never got caught. Most aren't drunk at the time, thank goodness, but ridiculously dangerous driving in general needs more policing. It's no good to just punish after an accident since it seems most adolescent drivers are arrogant enough to think that will never be them.

Ashley Winchester Apr 12, 2009

Chris wrote:

A no tolerance policy is required in terms of the law. I'd also like to see much more policing of traffic in general so that more people get caught. In my town at least, I knew a few boy racers and a girl racer who literally drove around suburban streets at 60-70 mph and never got caught. Most aren't drunk at the time, thank goodness, but ridiculously dangerous driving in general needs more policing. It's no good to just punish after an accident since it seems most adolescent drivers are arrogant enough to think that will never be them.

This kind of relates to my idea that a parent giving a fast/flashy car to an adolescent is a bad idea. My neighbor is a little speed demon in that Grand Prix GT of his (I wish someone other than me would tell him that car is nothing to be boastful of) and went through a stop sign and got smashed last year. What really, really ticked me off was before this his parents traded one of their cars in for a truck, and what do they do? They trade in the respectable town car that might not allow him buy into that edgy/cool persona thing and keep the damn GT! Thought that was freakin' brilliant, especially when you consider how much it costs to insure a teenage driver.

Also, speaking of adolescent drivers, has anyone else seen those new adds on TV: "With new and improved slow down you don't have to die!"

avatar! Apr 12, 2009 (edited Apr 12, 2009)

Razakin wrote:
Bernhardt wrote:

Don't know what you're talking about...I know quite a few people who've been convicted of DUIs, and they're not allowed to drive anymore...their lives are pretty much ruined.

Ruined because they can't drive anymore? Public transportation, two feet or bicycle could help a bit, depending if they need to travel a lot to work.

And really, they caused their lives to be ruined by being idiots and drunk driving.

Exactly! I completely agree with Razakin. People who get drunk and drive and then caught, always seem to think they're the victim and that they're getting screwed... until they one day they kill someone. And then they're all weepy about how they never meant any harm... well screw them! Drunk driving is like randomly shooting bullets, and then when you do hit and hurt or kill someone "I didn't mean to" just doesn't cut it! Franky, if they ruin their lives, that's too bad, but their lives are in their control. I'm worried about them ruining other people's lives.

-avatar!

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLRhSbuhVvc&NR=1

avatar! Apr 12, 2009

Ashley Winchester wrote:

Also, speaking of adolescent drivers, has anyone else seen those new adds on TV: "With new and improved slow down you don't have to die!"

I just looked them up on youtube. Quite amusing,  and know what, they remind me of bioshock smile However, I'm not trying to derail the topic! I still hate drunk drivers with a passion.

cheers,

-avatar!

avatar! Jun 19, 2009

Wow... check out our stupid legal system. If you're a pro athlete, you get 30 days after killing someone!

Oh, but his driver's license was permanently revoked. Well, I'm sure now he'll never ever drive again. Yup, taking someone's driver's license is 100% guaranteed to keep them from driving ever again[/sarcasm]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/nfl … pstoryview

longhairmike Jun 19, 2009

in IL they give you the MAX penalty for any violation within construction zones. even speeding starts at $375

Ashley Winchester Jun 19, 2009

That's all they have him? That's wrong...

Anyway, I know it's not much of a consolation to the family of the victim, but considering his NFL career is finished the gravy train is pretty much over for him. He'll probably end up playing for the CFL.

avatar! Jun 19, 2009

Ashley Winchester wrote:

That's all they have him? That's wrong...

Anyway, I know it's not much of a consolation to the family of the victim, but considering his NFL career is finished the gravy train is pretty much over for him. He'll probably end up playing for the CFL.

Are you kidding me? He's probably going to get some reality TV show...

But I tell you, if this had happened to you, there's no way you wouldn't be behind bars for years!

Bernhardt Jun 19, 2009 (edited Jun 19, 2009)

avatar! wrote:
Razakin wrote:
Bernhardt wrote:

Don't know what you're talking about...I know quite a few people who've been convicted of DUIs, and they're not allowed to drive anymore...their lives are pretty much ruined.

Ruined because they can't drive anymore? Public transportation, two feet or bicycle could help a bit, depending if they need to travel a lot to work.

And really, they caused their lives to be ruined by being idiots and drunk driving.

Exactly! I completely agree with Razakin. People who get drunk and drive and then caught, always seem to think they're the victim and that they're getting screwed... until they one day they kill someone. And then they're all weepy about how they never meant any harm... well screw them! Drunk driving is like randomly shooting bullets, and then when you do hit and hurt or kill someone "I didn't mean to" just doesn't cut it! Franky, if they ruin their lives, that's too bad, but their lives are in their control. I'm worried about them ruining other people's lives

Right, until YOU are the one getting nailed.

I take it NONE of you consume alcohol around here?

I, myself, have never gotten nailed for a DUI, but then again, I don't drive while drunk, then again, I don't go out drinking: I stay home if I consume alcohol. And that pisses me off. I feel like I'm not allowed to consume alcohol in public. When I go out to dinner, I want to feel like I can have glass of wine without being punished for it. After all, restaurants often carry better wine than the stores do.

And even if I have a designated driver, if I'm drunk, or at least have consumed alcohol, that reflects badly on them, and a cop could easily just say that I was the one behind the wheel, even when I really wasn't, especially if my friend is an especially bad driver, even if he hasn't consumed alcohol. After all, a person can be nailed for just having consumed alcohol; they don't need to be DRUNK.

Never wish for more cops and regulation; YOU are subject to the law too, not just "EVERYONE ELSE." The law applies to YOU TOO.

...

There is no silver bullet for drunk driving. You can take away a person's license, hell, you can take away their car, but just because a person doesn't have license doesn't mean they can't start a car, it just means they go straight to jail BUT ONLY IF THEY'RE CAUGHT. And take away a person's car, but who's to say they can't break into YOUR car and steal it?

Trying to regulate drunk driving even more heavily may just result in MORE problems!

Razakin Jun 19, 2009

avatar! wrote:

Wow... check out our stupid legal system. If you're a pro athlete, you get 30 days after killing someone!

Oh, but his driver's license was permanently revoked. Well, I'm sure now he'll never ever drive again. Yup, taking someone's driver's license is 100% guaranteed to keep them from driving ever again[/sarcasm]

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/06/18/nfl … pstoryview

Well, he could have gotten that 15 years of prison, but from what I read from that article, not even the family of the dead person didn't want that to happen.

Sure, 30 days isn't enough, but seems that he's not gonna have easy eight years (nor rest of his life, pretty sure he will have some deep shit going in his head).

Bernhardt wrote:

And even if I have a designated driver, if I'm drunk, or at least have consumed alcohol, that reflects badly on them, and a cop could easily just say that I was the one behind the wheel, even when I really wasn't, especially if my friend is an especially bad driver, even if he hasn't consumed alcohol. After all, a person can be nailed for just having consumed alcohol; they don't need to be DRUNK.

I wonder how the police could even prove that you would be the one driving? Especially if would have designated driver. Unless the laws are totally out of hands in America.

But really, how someone's life can be ruined if his/hers drivers license is gone for good? And why we should be sorry for him? Drunk driving is so bloody irresponsible think, that I can't symphatize at all with people who do it.

avatar! Jun 19, 2009

Razakin wrote:

[

Bernhardt wrote:

And even if I have a designated driver, if I'm drunk, or at least have consumed alcohol, that reflects badly on them, and a cop could easily just say that I was the one behind the wheel, even when I really wasn't, especially if my friend is an especially bad driver, even if he hasn't consumed alcohol. After all, a person can be nailed for just having consumed alcohol; they don't need to be DRUNK.

I wonder how the police could even prove that you would be the one driving? Especially if would have designated driver. Unless the laws are totally out of hands in America.

But really, how someone's life can be ruined if his/hers drivers license is gone for good? And why we should be sorry for him? Drunk driving is so bloody irresponsible think, that I can't symphatize at all with people who do it.

I too would like to know how the police could say you were drunk driving and your friend took over when

a)all police vehicles carry cameras which monitor exactly what happens
b)how could you quickly switch seats in a car in a matter of seconds?
c)you can NOT be arrested because your friends are drunk!
d)in fact, you can't even be pulled over unless they have probable reason (open container, speeding, crossing lanes, etc)

I have some good friends who always have a beer or two when we're in a restaurant, and an hour or two later they're off on the road going home. Never an incident, never a problem. Why? because one or two beers does not make a drunk. People drink in public all the time! You have to know your limits. Now, if someone wants to get wasted, go ahead. Just don't expect any sympathy if you're caught drunk driving. It's your own damn fault, no excuses, no blaming cops, the laws, society, whatever...

Crash Jun 19, 2009

avatar!,

Ideally, that would be true.  But not every police officer acts this way.  I'm a regular reader of theagitator.com, and there are quite a few cops that are not interested in following the rules.  Some are on a total power trip, and view their badge as a license to do whatever they want.  Look at the Critical Mass incident in New York, where a cyclist was thrown to the ground by a cop.  The guy who was thrown to the ground was actually charged with a crime, and would still be in jail but for the fact that someone actually recorded the whole incident, and posted it on YouTube.

There have been several cases of cameras mysteriously not working when police have been accused of excessive force (or the videos exist, but the police refuse to let anyone else see them).  See, for example, the following:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 04526.html
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/2 … 43/LOCAL07
http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archi … 09_4719351

On the topic at hand, DUI/DWI arrests have taken place when the person accused has had no alcohol in his or her system at all:

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2008-05- … -alcohol/1

Bernhardt Jun 20, 2009 (edited Jun 20, 2009)

Razakin wrote:
Bernhardt wrote:

And even if I have a designated driver, if I'm drunk, or at least have consumed alcohol, that reflects badly on them, and a cop could easily just say that I was the one behind the wheel, even when I really wasn't, especially if my friend is an especially bad driver, even if he hasn't consumed alcohol. After all, a person can be nailed for just having consumed alcohol; they don't need to be DRUNK.

I wonder how the police could even prove that you would be the one driving? Especially if would have designated driver. Unless the laws are totally out of hands in America.

It's not that hard to switch drivers, without the cop seeing you do it, if you get pulled over. Which is why, in all of their cynicism, is why that's what they're going to assume.

Cops don't need to prove SHIT if they can have a judge who's willing to agree with them.

Common process of thought these days is that drinking in general is the devil, and if they can make an example of someone, nail them to wall, they're going to, whether that was actually the case or not; you just need a cop who's willing to nail someone, a jury who's going to believe the fear mongering that a prosecutor sets forth, and a judge who's willing to agree with all three.

Razakin wrote:

But really, how someone's life can be ruined if his/hers drivers license is gone for good?

How you gonna get to classes/work without a mode of transportation? Taxi cabs are more expensive than having your own car, and public transportation (buses and trains) aren't always reliable, and still leave you having to walk where you need to go some ways.

Razakin wrote:

And why we should be sorry for him? Drunk driving is so bloody irresponsible think, that I can't symphatize at all with people who do it.

Because the same thing could happen to you. And most people aren't aware on the consequences of drunk driving because people are clueless. But if they were aware of the consequences, then even in all their stupidity, they would be less likely to do it.

avatar! wrote:

I too would like to know how the police could say you were drunk driving and your friend took over when

a)all police vehicles carry cameras which monitor exactly what happens
b)how could you quickly switch seats in a car in a matter of seconds?
c)you can NOT be arrested because your friends are drunk!
d)in fact, you can't even be pulled over unless they have probable reason (open container, speeding, crossing lanes, etc)

A) Their camera may or may not be able to see inside your vehicle, especially at nighttime.

B) NOT THAT HARD TO SWITCH SEATS BEFORE THE COP COMES TO YOUR VEHICLE.

C) It's a little thing that cops like to call "Guilty by Association."

D) True, but if you're lousy driver SOBER, than you have a problem.

avatar! wrote:

I have some good friends who always have a beer or two when we're in a restaurant, and an hour or two later they're off on the road going home. Never an incident, never a problem. Why? because one or two beers does not make a drunk. People drink in public all the time! You have to know your limits. Now, if someone wants to get wasted, go ahead. Just don't expect any sympathy if you're caught drunk driving. It's your own damn fault, no excuses, no blaming cops, the laws, society, whatever...

Even if you're not drunk, you can still be arrested if you get pulled over, even if you've only had one ot two beers; your BAC only has to be over 0.2 to get you arrested, and if you've had ANY alcohol, your BAC is DEFINITELY going to be over 0.2

...

Again, I don't condone drunk driving, but it's become more of a witch hunt, that the motives have gone from noble to fear. And fear makes people act irrationally.

jb Jun 20, 2009

How did this go from a thread about drunk driving to a thread about spreading propaganda filth about how authority is so terible blah blah blah.

Also:

It's not that hard to switch drivers, without the cop seeing you do it, if you get pulled over. Which is why, in all of their cynicism, is why that's what they're going to assume.

lol you have got to be kidding me.

Razakin Jun 20, 2009

Bernhardt wrote:

How you gonna get to classes/work without a mode of transportation? Taxi cabs are more expensive than having your own car, and public transportation (buses and trains) aren't always reliable, and still leave you having to walk where you need to go some ways.

Oh yeah, I forgot that America seems to have lousy public transportation. Also, you could use bicycles also for travelling. But then, could be hard if the average distance to work is over 20km. Or more.

Bernhardt wrote:

Because the same thing could happen to you. And most people aren't aware on the consequences of drunk driving because people are clueless. But if they were aware of the consequences, then even in all their stupidity, they would be less likely to do it.

Sorry, the day when I'm gonna go do drunk driving is the day when hell freezes over. I might be stupid especially when drunk, but not that stupid.

Gotta check tomorrow if those ignition locks are starting to be closer and closer.

Ashley Winchester Jun 20, 2009

Bernhardt wrote:

I, myself, have never gotten nailed for a DUI, but then again, I don't drive while drunk, then again, I don't go out drinking: I stay home if I consume alcohol. And that pisses me off. I feel like I'm not allowed to consume alcohol in public.

I can totally understand the whole "drinking at home is the only safe way to drink anymore" concept. Flat-out, in my mind it just isn't worth going to a bar and take any kind of risk in today's world. The signs are right - DUI: You Can't Afford it - and not just monetarily. Basically, just go out, get the booze, come home and drink it. Outside getting into a shouting/slapping match (and maybe shaving you neighbor's kitten), what's the worse that can happen? The potential for problems is just that much lower.

Latest Updates

Board footer

Forums powered by FluxBB