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Shoe Aug 7, 2008

i think i've become paranoid schizo-affective again

why do these things happen to me

avatar! Aug 8, 2008

Shoe wrote:

i think i've become paranoid schizo-affective again

why do these things happen to me

Don't know, but the important thing is to see a doctor ASAP.

best,

-avatar!

Idolores Aug 8, 2008 (edited Aug 8, 2008)

hmm

Jodo Kast Aug 8, 2008

I have a counter argument against schizophrenia rendering humans crazy or insane. If you are talking to someone that exists in your mind, then that is, technically, not different from talking to a person that is not in your mind. In fact, there is no way to talk to a person that is not in your mind. Consider the following situation:

A man and a woman are sitting in a room, engaged in conversation. In order for the man to understand the woman, he must gather information about the past. He's not actually seeing the woman sitting across from him because it is impossible. Both the speed of light and sound are finite. Therefore, his brain waits for the light to be processed and forms an image, while his ears gather mechanical energy which also must be processed. This processing creates an approximation of the woman which exists in his mind.

Now, assume the man is alone in the room and is talking to a woman. To an observer, there is definitely a difference. But the brain of the man is not aware of a difference. Both the imagined woman and the real woman are the same because there is only one type of woman - the kind that can be imagined.

absuplendous Aug 8, 2008

Maybe you two could split a group session. :-p

Shoe Aug 8, 2008

Thank you, avatar.

Shoe Aug 8, 2008

Virtual Boot wrote:

Maybe you two could split a group session. :-p

Discount rate!!

Carl Aug 8, 2008

avatar! wrote:
Shoe wrote:

i think i've become paranoid schizo-affective again

why do these things happen to me

Don't know, but the important thing is to see a doctor ASAP.

best,

-avatar!

Agreed, that's probably the best course of action.

avatar! Aug 8, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

I have a counter argument against schizophrenia rendering humans crazy or insane....

Your argument is not new, not correct, and not of any help to poor Shoe. There's a huge difference between imagined and real. Don't think so? then I suggest you go kick an imaginary wall as hard as you can, then kick a "real" wall as hard as you can, and let me know if you still believe there's no difference. Also, you should start reading up on psychology, I think it would really open up your mind.

cheers,

-avatar!

Idolores Aug 8, 2008

avatar! wrote:

Also, you should start reading up on psychology, I think it would really open up your mind.

I've heard the same thing said about brain surgery. BA-DUM PSH

Jodo Kast Aug 9, 2008 (edited Aug 9, 2008)

avatar! wrote:
Jodo Kast wrote:

I have a counter argument against schizophrenia rendering humans crazy or insane....

Your argument is not new, not correct, and not of any help to poor Shoe. There's a huge difference between imagined and real. Don't think so? then I suggest you go kick an imaginary wall as hard as you can, then kick a "real" wall as hard as you can, and let me know if you still believe there's no difference. Also, you should start reading up on psychology, I think it would really open up your mind.

cheers,

-avatar!

My point is that the brain does not know the difference. Everything is fine with my point until you had to chime in and talk about kicking walls. smile Yes, a real woman will deliver a real kick, unlike an imaginary woman.

   I have noticed considerable resistance to my very simple reasoning. My reasoning is that the brain can not know anything about reality because it creates approximations. It has to. What choice does it have? How can the brain possibly see a real thing? How? How? How? There is no way. The light that we see is nothing compared to the totality of the electromagnetic spectrum. Furthermore, we see the image in our brain - not the real object. We never see 'real' things. All we see is what our brain processes. This should be obvious to everyone and it bothers me that I have to explain it, because it is elementary.

   It's important to understand that the tactile sense is not a part of this discussion. I'm more concerned with the images in the brain, and with respect to those, there is no difference between a real and an imaginary woman. I don't expect you to just believe me, walk away, and have a good day. No, sir. Read on.

   When we go to sleep, we often have these things called 'dreams'. I will assume that you have had at least one dream and also remember it. Since you have had one and you remember it, this indicates it really happened, because imaginary things do not happen. But you know damn well that it didn't really happen. So this means that the brain does not know the difference between real and imaginary things. A memory of a dream has the same status as the memory of a real event. They can both be recalled, quite clearly. Once an event has passed and is stored in memory, what proof does one have that it really happened? How do you know it wasn't a dream? How are we able to differentiate the two? Somehow, we are able to distinguish between real and imaginary events, but the brain doesn't seem to care - it just saves everything, whether it happened or it 'didn't'.

Shoe Aug 16, 2008

I visited the Wind Fish again, he straightened me out pretty well..

Thank you ava!

Shoe Aug 16, 2008 (edited Aug 16, 2008)

Jodo, have you ever listened to 'Into the Depths of Self-Discovery' from the JPN version of SILENT HILL 4 sndtrk??

And 'Wounded Warsong'?

Shoe Aug 16, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

We never see 'real' things. All we see is what our brain processes. This should be obvious to everyone and it bothers me that I have to explain it, because it's ElementaryWatson.

You're too smart for your own good! (meant as a compliment)

(I learned to read English by myself at around age 5, too) so i feel yer pain..

Idolores Aug 16, 2008

It is threads like this that make me wonder how STC would function as a chat room or something.

Shoe Aug 16, 2008

To me it's a virtual CLASSROOM like in the FF games..


'About Rflect...'

Zorbfish Aug 16, 2008

I wouldn't say you're crazy; just starved for attention. This is getting a bit ridiculous.

Shoe Aug 16, 2008

I couldn't slep last night..

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