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SonicPanda Jan 29, 2008

Probably old news, but text-searching brought up nothing, so I'll play it safe.

Apparently Play-Asia is taking pre-orders for an MGS anthology, including Substance and Subsistence and a fancy PS2-style case for Metal Gear Solid 1 (the original, not Twin Snakes). I'd be much more excited if I hadn't already tracked the two Subs down already (and the Document of MGS2 is oddly missing). But anyone with a mild interest who has yet to track them down and $35 would be well-served.

Sami Jan 29, 2008

This was just announced like 12 hours ago. Good thing too, it's a great deal for guys like me who waited out on the Sub versions.

Amazingu Jan 29, 2008

csK wrote:

It looks like this is sort of like an Americas version of the Metal Gear 20th Anniversery compilation that was released in Japan a while ago, though its probably nicer to be able to play the S. versions of the games.

If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese compilation did NOT have Substance and Subsistence, only the regular versions.
It did get the old Metal Gear games though, but from what I've heard, you're probably better off with the American version.

Angela Jan 29, 2008

Sami wrote:

This was just announced like 12 hours ago. Good thing too, it's a great deal for guys like me who waited out on the Sub versions.

Nah, the news was out there for a couple of days yet:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=232378

Still, anything Metal Gear-related is worth mentioning in my book. ;)

Amazingu wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese compilation did NOT have Substance and Subsistence, only the regular versions.  It did get the old Metal Gear games though, but from what I've heard, you're probably better off with the American version.

Assuming Subsistence will be including the second disc (which features the two MSX games anyway), then yeah, I'd say the U.S. version will be the better value.

My purchase probably hinges on just how cool the "special re-designed packaging artwork" from Shinkawa turns out.  But at the very least, the March release could allude that MGS4 is indeed on target for a Q2 2008 release.  The timing would be perfect for a first-timer of the series to play catch-up, and then immediately launch into the finale.

csK Jan 30, 2008 (edited Jan 30, 2008)

Amazingu wrote:

If I'm not mistaken, the Japanese compilation did NOT have Substance and Subsistence, only the regular versions.

Yea, I know, thats why I wrote the US pack might be better from a players' perspective wink 

Now this is what I'm confused about.  If its including Substance/Subsistance, will it also include MGS Intergral?  That seems to be the clear progression.  And don't forget, the Japanese pack also had Portable Ops!

I'm curious about this redesigned packaging too.

EDIT:  That pic on the Neogaf page has to be a mock-up, I hope...

Angela Mar 21, 2008 (edited Mar 22, 2008)

So I went ahead and picked up the Essential Collection, I guess mostly for collector's purposes...... and to prove my uber hardcore-ness.  Don't think I'll be opening the package, but I thought this would give me a great excuse to replay the titles in the coming weeks before MGS4 makes its splash.  With that, I plan on sharing a retrospective look at my experiences, then and now, and the series in general.  Ten Solid years.... it really has been that long, hasn't it?

So, we'll begin with Metal Gear Solid.  I remember my first experience with the game, like a lot of people, was through the OPM demo that debuted a month or two before the game hit here in North America in October 1998.  The hype that preceded it completely flew over my head; I was aware that it was some highly-anticipated sequel to two old NES games I had once rented, games I recall being fairly unmemorable and pretty boring.  Stealth in a video game seemed like a pretty lame concept at the time, especially in light of less deliberating games that managed to catch my attention so much more easier like SMB and Contra.

So, it was a lark that I happened to receive the demo.  (As an aside, I remember enjoying the Hot Shots Golf demo as well.)  After my first cycle through the MGS one, I was completely hooked.  That small Dock/Heliport section was pretty much the only thing I played for the weeks leading up to the official NA release.  Everything about it was totally revolutionary; the excellent cinematic direction, full-on voice acting, and the immersive Alaskan atmosphere.  I drained every facet of the demo, discovering how to dispatch the enemies in every conceivable way, always taking turns going through the two different air-duct vents, and deliberately getting discovered just to hear that heart-stopping "Encounter" theme.  I watched the included E3 1998 trailer like a zillion times just to hear the "Metal Gear Solid Main Theme."  (Gosh, I'm hoping like crazy that it really will be featured in MGS4.)

Receiving the final retail game was an awesome day, since that was also the day Xenogears was released.  I went over to the guy at EBGames and said, "I'm here to pick up two 'Gear' titles."  ^_^  It was odd that I was anticipating XG for the longest, but MGS ended up eating away at the bulk of my playtime that season.

Hearing the new English voices for the first time was a shock to me..... Hayter's now-infamous gravelly voice surprised me, as well as Eiding's.  It didn't take long for me to warm up to them, though.  As much respect I have for Akio Ôtsuka, Hayter, to me, will always officially be Snake.... cheers to Kris Zimmerman for going with that direction for the voice.  It'll be interesting to hear how much more gravelly Hayter can pull off for MGS4.

That'll do for now, I think.  I plan to begin playing the game proper this weekend.  Impressions to follow shortly, but I'd sure love to hear if you guys have any stories or anecdotes related to the MGS series.

Ryu Mar 21, 2008

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

Idolores Mar 21, 2008

Ryu wrote:

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

Why do you hate it so much?

Idolores Mar 21, 2008

Angela wrote:

That'll do for now, I think.  I plan to begin playing the game proper this weekend.  Impressions to follow shortly, but I'd sure love to hear if you guys have any stories or anecdotes related to the MGS series.

I initially had my doubts about the first Metal Gear Solid. Everyone was going on and on about how it was to be the greatest game to yet be released, and perhaps because of my youthful exuberance and defiance, thought outright the game was going to be a failure.

So it came to pass that my first play of the game came through my friend Karl. He had shown me a part of the game halfway through, and I was at first intrigued by the dynamics presented by the character/enemy interaction. I later asked to borrow the game from him.

Sitting in my room, really late at night, I popped in the game for the first time. I remember the atmosphere. The top notch voice acting coupled with the absolutely dynamic music score coalesced in my mind with the ease one would expect of warm chocolate chip cookies and milk.   

Most importantly, I remember the storyline thoroughly beating me up.

Not much to say about MGS2 that hasn't been said already, though. I didn't hate Raiden as much as other folks seemed to, and I loved the bizarre direction the story took during the later parts, even though I hope it's the last the series sees for some time. Oh, and I had fun messin' with the soldiers using the Stealth Suit in the Cargo Holds, where the general is giving his speech. tongue

As for MGS3? Oh, man . . . Initially turned off by the jungle atmosphere and setting, I gradually fell into the hype shortly before the game hit. I gotta say that the bosses were hit or miss, with The Pain, The Fear and The End being the worst offenders (although they were tempered by The Boss, who aside from being an amazing character, was just an awesome fight).

Hahaha! I remember being amused by the play feature of shooting, capturing and devouring live animals, so you can imagine my surprise when I found out you couldn't cannibalize sleeping soldiers OR their attack dogs.

shdwrlm3 Mar 21, 2008

Idolores wrote:
Ryu wrote:

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

Why do you hate it so much?

Interesting story: My brother got up to the fight with Miang on the second disc after suffering through 60 hours of unskippable dialogue. Now, anyone who's played Xenogears knows that Miang is a raging bitch (I don't use that term lightly), and being defeated by her means having to go through the same unskippable cutscenes that precede the fight over and over and over again. My bro was on his 6th or 7th cycle of getting his butt handed to him when, all of a sudden, our memory card craps out and he loses his 60+ hour save file. The moral of the story? Don't buy 3rd-party memory cards or Xenogears. His theory was that the second disc was so incredibly boring and long winded that the memory card chose to commit seppuku rather than go through another second of it. We ended up getting a DexDrive (best investment ever) and just downloaded a save from that point in the game.

That said, Xenogears had an insanely fun battle arena. IMO, the game would have been much more enjoyable had they replaced the turn-based battles with arena-style fights.


Okay, thread hijack over. More on topic, the only Metal Gear game I've played through completely was Ghost Babel for GBC, so I'm not sure if it counts. It was lots of old-school fun, and I still fondly remember many of the VR missions, especially the Donkey Kong one!

For some reason I've never transitioned to the main series. At first I thought it was because I couldn't handle stealth games in 3D,  but I've since gotten the Splinter Cell games and had a blast with them. Actually, now that I think about it, the Essential Collection is a steal at only 35 bucks, so perhaps it's time for me to see what the hooplah is all about!

csK Mar 21, 2008

allyourbaseare wrote:

Never played any of the Metal Gear games.

*runs and hides*

*gasps in horror!*

Zane Mar 21, 2008

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

So can anyone confirm whether or not this has the MSX games in it?

IGN said they weren't included in their review. sad

IGN wrote:

While The Essential Collection includes MGS3: Subsistence, it only includes Disc 1 of the remake. That means that while players will receive the new camera viewpoint, all of the extras on the second disc have been lost. That means that items such as the multiplayer mode, Duel Mode, Demo Theater, and original Metal Gear games have been excluded from this collection, which is unfortunate.

XLord007 Mar 21, 2008

Ryu wrote:

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

The only abortion here is your attitude.  XG was a great game, probably the single best PSX game ever released.

Idolores Mar 21, 2008

XLord007 wrote:
Ryu wrote:

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

The only abortion here is your attitude.  XG was a great game, probably the single best PSX game ever released.

Xenogears was a really awesome game, but in all honesty, the game had some serious faults. Unbalance between gear battles vs on foot battles? An extremely shoddy translation (assuming you played the NA release)? The entire second disc? All of these faults NEEDED to be attended to.

But is it enough of a basis to call the game an abortion? Not in my mind. You had an amazing soundtrack, fully rounded and developed characters, a really ambitious storyline, and a vast scope that made the universe felt really fleshed out. Kevin Leung of ffonline.com once called the game a triumphant mess, and I can't help but agree.

Is Xenogears one of my favorites? Yes. But I won't/can't deny its faults.

With this said, why are your feelings so venomous, Ryu? I can understand not liking it, but outright hating it so much as to call it an abortion escapes me utterly.

Ryu Mar 21, 2008

XLord007 wrote:
Ryu wrote:

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

The only abortion here is your attitude.  XG was a great game, probably the single best PSX game ever released.

Judging by your taste in games, I don't care what you think about my opinion or "attitude", kthx.

Ryu Mar 21, 2008

Idolores wrote:
XLord007 wrote:
Ryu wrote:

^ Ah, Xenogears, the reason for the fall of my once die-hard interest in JRPGs; what a horrid game.  I can't believe it's been ten years since that abortion was released.

The only abortion here is your attitude.  XG was a great game, probably the single best PSX game ever released.

Xenogears was a really awesome game, but in all honesty, the game had some serious faults. Unbalance between gear battles vs on foot battles? An extremely shoddy translation (assuming you played the NA release)? The entire second disc? All of these faults NEEDED to be attended to.

But is it enough of a basis to call the game an abortion? Not in my mind. You had an amazing soundtrack, fully rounded and developed characters, a really ambitious storyline, and a vast scope that made the universe felt really fleshed out. Kevin Leung of ffonline.com once called the game a triumphant mess, and I can't help but agree.

Is Xenogears one of my favorites? Yes. But I won't/can't deny its faults.

With this said, why are your feelings so venomous, Ryu? I can understand not liking it, but outright hating it so much as to call it an abortion escapes me utterly.

Sorry, I didn't notice you asked.  It's rather off-topic, just an aside mentioned by Angela, and I've never got into MGS, didn't expect this sub-topic to go anywhere.  Besides, over 10 years, hasn't this been discussed enough already--like the Sakimoto or Mitsuda hate?  Outside of the opening movie, soundtrack and the on-foot battles, I can't comment on the characters because they could've all caught fire and died for all I care, but the rest of the game was terrible.  I have no idea what the second disc was like---I got tired of the game while climbing some tower.

Glad you liked it though.  And thanks for being respectful in your disagreement and sincere.

Angela Mar 22, 2008

Ryu wrote:

It's rather off-topic, just an aside mentioned by Angela, and I've never got into MGS, didn't expect this sub-topic to go anywhere.

Oof, who knew such a seemingly innocuous aside could blow up into this mini explosion?  You guys truly are a buncha krazy kats.

Anyway, it's true: Subsistence's second disc isn't included in the EC package, which means no MSX MG1 or MG2.  But then, this *is* the Metal Gear Solid: Essential Collection; the focus here is, essentially, on the Solid series.  Just to clarify, though - Demo Theater is included, seeing as how all of the game's cutscene data is housed on the first disc anyway.  It's the Secret Theater movies that were featured on the second disc, and are therefore not in this package.

Ryu Mar 22, 2008

Angela, for MGS, what is it like in the package?  Is it still on CD or is it on DVD?

TerraEpon Mar 22, 2008

Ryu wrote:

I have no idea what the second disc was like---I got tired of the game while climbing some tower.

Heh, that tower....that was probably the worst part of the game (INCLUDING the second disc, which I think gets bashed WAAAAAAAAY too much).  I actually had to skip class because there was no save for like, an hour -- mainly since I kept falling. hmm


-Joshua

Angela Mar 22, 2008

Ryu wrote:

Angela, for MGS, what is it like in the package?  Is it still on CD or is it on DVD?

It's still a two-CD set -- which means, yeah, you do need to have a PSOne memory card to save your progress.  Or you can create an Internal Memory Card if you're playing it on the PS3, of course.

Angela Mar 22, 2008

Just a shout-out that at this point on, I'll be veering into SPOILER TERRITORY.  For those who are eventually planning on playing the series (and I wholeheartedly recommend that you do), you'll probably want to stay away.

---

Right, so I've started playing MGS last night.  Well, not "playing" per se, but I did sit through the twenty-two minute Briefing Files session.  This was actually one of my most favorite parts of the game; I mean, it's Snake, in the buff, and in full mullet regalia - how much more awesome can that get??  It also reintroduces us back to Snake and Campbell, gives us a glimpse at their backstories, and provides us with a complete detailing of the mission at hand.  And it's delivered with such pitch-perfect tone on Hayter and Eiding's part; Snake's initial reluctance toward taking the assignment, and the friction between these two "war buddies"..... it's great.  (For anyone who watches the Briefing Files, make sure to Exit the session immediately after the first file for that added piece where Snake retorts that "He doesn't work for the government anymore.  Let me go back to Twin Lakes."  It adds even more depth between Snake and Campbell.)

And I always chuckle at Snake's quip toward Naomi and her shot; "That was quite a cocktail" and "I guess I can call on you when I'm ready to go on a diet." ;)

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