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SonicPanda Apr 18, 2008

Angela wrote:

Nice.  We just need one more person to make up our six-man unit.  Any takers? smile

Marionette Dolphin reporting for duty, or something. Oddly enough, putting 'David Hayter' into the name generator spits back Jockstrap Bison. I wonder if he knows?

I didn't get the Collection (since I already have the included games), but I have been on a Metal Gear kick myself lately. I just finished up a replay of Snake Eater via Subsistence, reading/watching Portable Ops story via GameFAQs and YouTube, and just a few minutes ago ordered up a Game Boy Player and copy of the GBC MGS (Yes, I know it's not considered to be canonical, but in fairness Kojima has never outright said so himself, and by the series' standards the possibility of two different Solid Snakes seems pretty tame; I'm preparing just in case). I'm moving onto Twin Snakes tonight (rocket surfing!) instead of the MSX Metal Gears because the danged second disk of Subsistence hates my PS2. And finally, I hope to start up Substance later this month so that when The Worst Girlfriend Ever asks me about 'tomorrow,' it'll actually be tomorrow. I guess this officially makes me a MGS dork, huh?

Criminy it's been awhile. You guys've redecorated and everything. Sorry for the lapse. In addition to some dedicated gaming, taxes, and some real-life drama, there was a thrilling period where the Internet just plain stopped working for me. Which was fun*. Or at least as good an excuse as any to gorge myself, game-wise.

So yeah. Let's gaming.

*Note - not actually fun.

Qui-Gon Joe Apr 18, 2008

SonicPanda wrote:

the danged second disk of Subsistence hates my PS2.

Please tell me that it's not a blue bottomed CD game... I've been hoping to pick this up someday, but my American PS2 won't read CD-ROM games anymore.  Ico = sad

SonicPanda Apr 18, 2008

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

Please tell me that it's not a blue bottomed CD game...

It's not, which makes it weird. It'll boot up the opening video (Metal Gear Online! But Not Anymore!), and then, if it goes to the title screen and subsequent menu, choosing Duel, Snake vs Monkey, or either of the MSX MGs will lead to a black screen with a rotating icon of a disc and question mark in the upper left corner about 95% of the time.
My best guess is that the disk was designed for those slimline PS2 with the internet adapter built-in, but I've nothing to prove that. I dunno.

Angela Apr 18, 2008

SonicPanda wrote:

Marionette Dolphin reporting for duty, or something.

Yes!  Okay, Mongoose, Bluebird, Ladybug, Crocodile, Dolphin..... I, Echidna Piranha, will lead our ops to victory! Break!

Angela Apr 18, 2008

SonicPanda wrote:

And finally, I hope to start up Substance later this month so that when The Worst Girlfriend Ever asks me about 'tomorrow,' it'll actually be tomorrow.

Ooh, brilliantly timed.  Indeed, I am in the true company of MGS-dorkage; I salute thee!

As for Subsistence's disc 2, yeah, it's definitely not a CD-ROM.  Appears to be on a regular single-sided DVD, but there is truth to it not functioning properly on original PS2 models.  I've attempted to run it on both original and slim models, and while it runs flawlessly on the slim, it does tend to chug quite a bit on the original.

I'm hoping MGS4's dual-layered (!) Blu-ray will be able to run smoothly on all PS3 models.  I sure don't want a repeat of the faulty-laggy Snake Eater.

Idolores Apr 19, 2008

Angela wrote:
SonicPanda wrote:

Marionette Dolphin reporting for duty, or something.

Yes!  Okay, Mongoose, Bluebird, Ladybug, Crocodile, Dolphin..... I, Echidna Piranha, will lead our ops to victory! Break!

I'll form the head!

Angela Apr 28, 2008

Just polished off MGS, and the end scenes are all kinds of amazing.  The fights against REX, the revealing of Les Enfants Terrible, the hand-to-hand duel with Liquid, Meryl's death, the jeep chase..... it's one awe-inspiring sequence after another - an experience that all true gamers simply have to experience at least once in their lives.  Of course, it's important to note Naomi and Snake's conversation regarding FOXDIE at the end, as it's an important plot point that's apparently going to be addressed in MGS4.  Lying dormant for nine years, will it finally catch up to Snake in the end?

Looks like I'm gonna have to pick up the pace if I want to finish MGS2 and MGS3 in time for June 12th.  As such, I'll likely be dropping the progress posts.  (I know you'll all be upset, but please don't cry!  Piranha will always be here in spirit.)

Zane Oct 11, 2008

Angela wrote:

Just polished off MGS, and the end scenes are all kinds of amazing.  The fights against REX, the revealing of Les Enfants Terrible, the hand-to-hand duel with Liquid, Meryl's death, the jeep chase..... it's one awe-inspiring sequence after another - an experience that all true gamers simply have to experience at least once in their lives.

Eh. I just played the final battle of MGS again this morning and after the REX fight the game went downhill. The last segments of the game were easily the worst parts, notably the drawn-out hand-to-hand fight with Liquid and the frustrating jeep chase scene. I guess it's satisfying once it's over, but the last 15 minutes of gameplay rank as my absolute least favorite part of the game.

Idolores Oct 11, 2008

I sold my copy of Essential Collections shortly after halfway through MGS. God bless the series and all that, but it wasn't until after I got that far that I realized that I played the hell out of all those titles when they first came out. So it was an impulse buy I kind of regretted making. Did MGS2 really need, like, an 8th playthrough, after all?

Ashley Winchester Oct 11, 2008

Zane wrote:
Angela wrote:

Just polished off MGS, and the end scenes are all kinds of amazing.  The fights against REX, the revealing of Les Enfants Terrible, the hand-to-hand duel with Liquid, Meryl's death, the jeep chase..... it's one awe-inspiring sequence after another - an experience that all true gamers simply have to experience at least once in their lives.

Eh. I just played the final battle of MGS again this morning and after the REX fight the game went downhill. The last segments of the game were easily the worst parts, notably the drawn-out hand-to-hand fight with Liquid and the frustrating jeep chase scene. I guess it's satisfying once it's over, but the last 15 minutes of gameplay rank as my absolute least favorite part of the game.

I have to agree with Zane on the jeep chase scene, is there anyway not to get nailed a million times at this point?

allyourbaseare Jul 10, 2009

Bump!

I'm taking Angie up on her invitation to share my thoughts as I play through Metal Gear Solid for the first time (gasp!).  So far, I'm liking it.  Even if I have seen the Game Over screen 40+ times, the checkpoint system is forgiving enough so you don't get overly frustrated with the game.

I'm just at disc 1 - where I have to fight Liquid Snake in his helicopter.  Just grabbed the missiles, now "I've got to go swat a fly".

Some of the coolest things that I'm finding are the little touches here and there.  The fight with Psycho Mantis had already been ruined for me by countless websites, but was still really fun!  You've got to love when the screen goes black and all you can see is a green "Hideo" in the corner.  I freaked - literally!  Another was when you're fighting Sniper Wolf: after trekking back to get the damned sniper rifle, I kept dying when fighting her.  The cursor moved all over the place!  That's when I realized that I had some pills in my inventory to eliminate the trembles.  AWESOME!.  My favorite part, so far, was when you escape from being tortured and you're making your way back to the Communications Tower.  I just happened to peruse through my inventory and saw an inconspicuous Timer.  Thought nothing of it until I was about at said tower and I looked at it again.  The damned thing was counting down!!  I tossed it from my inventory and it exploded!  ....that devilish Ocelot!

I'm looking forward to playing through it this weekend.  Anyone have an estimated time of completion? 

Also, I'll be picking up a copy of MGS 2 and MGS 3 after these are done.  Go for the "Substance" and "Subsistance" versions or stick with the originals?

Shoe Jul 10, 2009

Get the original japanese version of MGS2 on ebay, the voice acting is far superior.

If you get the SUBSTANCE version, you'll find that the voices are back in English, so definitely go with the original version instead.

Idolores Jul 10, 2009 (edited Jul 10, 2009)

allyourbaseare wrote:

Also, I'll be picking up a copy of MGS 2 and MGS 3 after these are done.  Go for the "Substance" and "Subsistance" versions or stick with the originals?

Glad you're loving the game. Easily in my top 5 PSX titles. As for MGS2 and MGS3, if you can find them, go for the Substance/Subsistence versions. They're getting harder to find (unless you have the Essential Collection, in which case, you already have them). Basically, they're expanded versions of their respective games. MGS2 was given new VR Missions, Snake Tales (think interactive fanfiction), and a whole ton of other stuff. MGS3 was given a second disc full of extras such as multiplayer, ports of the first two Metal Gear games for the MSX, and a whole ton of other stuff. For the main game, they just added a new camera mode (off the top of my head, can't remember what/if else).

Edit: I don't think they included the Subsistence 2nd disc in the Essential Collection version. hmm

Angela Jul 10, 2009

Also glad you're enjoying the game, Dustin.  Hey, did you soak up those Briefing Files before the game actually begins proper?  They really add quite a bit to the game's story and characters.  Certainly one of my favorite parts of the game.

allyourbaseare wrote:

Even if I have seen the Game Over screen 40+ times, the checkpoint system is forgiving enough so you don't get overly frustrated with the game.

Don't be ashamed!  Happened to me with every title in the series I've played; it isn't a MGS game if you don't see the Game Over screen a few dozen times before the mission is complete.  Funny thing is, once you get to know the ins and outs of the games (and assuming you're up for multiple playthroughs), you'll find that you get so deft at them, that you'll rarely ever see the Game Over screen again.  Even on a second playthrough you're liable to see tremendous improvement in your skills.

The inventory time bomb is a random thing.  Sometimes it happens, sometimes it won't.  I didn't get it the first time, but then my second, it managed to nail me before I even realized it was there.  One of the more genuine "WTF?" moments for me.

Estimated completion time?  I'd say anywhere between 10-15 hours -- assuming you haven't been skipping out on the cutscenes.

Also, the torture sequence: did you endure or submit?  Be aware that the ending is greatly altered as a result of your decision.

Also, I'll be picking up a copy of MGS 2 and MGS 3 after these are done.  Go for the "Substance" and "Subsistance" versions or stick with the originals?

Go for the upgrades for sure.  More bang for the buck, but more importantly, you'll want the Subsistence version of MGS3 because the original U.S. version of Snake Eater was plagued with dodgy programming that resulted in glitchy, lagging problems when accessing the items menu and codec/radio sequences.  This was rectified in Subsistence, most thankfully.

Shoe wrote:

Get the original japanese version of MGS2 on ebay, the voice acting is far superior.

You're certainly playing those "definitive" cards a lot lately, aren't you?  Putting aside the fact that your statement is entirely subjective, I'd say allyourbase will be better off with the U.S. version of Substance for two reasons.  1) Unless I'm mistaken, I don't believe there are English subtitles for the original Japanese MGS2 -- unless he can speak and understand Japanese, of course.  2) Upon completion of the first game, he'll likely be vested in the English voice acting.  Why skewer the continuity?

allyourbaseare Jul 10, 2009

Angela wrote:

Also, the torture sequence: did you endure or submit?  Be aware that the ending is greatly altered as a result of your decision.

I endured.... that's a good thing, right?

Ended up on Disc 2 this afternoon!  All the plot twists and turns are rearing their heads and making for a much more interesting story.  Who can you trust?  The Colonel? Master?  Otacon? (I <3 Otacon!)

So I'm fighting the actual Metal Gear itself now.  F****** difficult!  I can get past the first section all right, but then during the second sequence I can't seem to dodge the missiles enough to land the hits I need. 


.... Also I'm thinking of changing my user ID to Mr. Base (thanks Shoe!).  Allyourbaseare was kind of a spur of the moment thing and isn't so unique anymore.  So if you see less ayba, and Mr. Base, then you'll know why.

Ashley Winchester Jul 10, 2009 (edited Jul 10, 2009)

allyourbaseare wrote:
Angela wrote:

Also, the torture sequence: did you endure or submit?  Be aware that the ending is greatly altered as a result of your decision.

I endured.... that's a good thing, right?

Well, kind of. I like the toy you get when you start a new game if you submitted over the one you get if you don't submit.

Edit

Either way, you got to play through it twice - like Angela says, the ending and rewards differ depending what you do at that point.

Shoe Jul 11, 2009 (edited Jul 11, 2009)

allyourbaseare wrote:

.... Also I'm thinking of changing my user ID to Mr. Base (thanks Shoe!).  Allyourbaseare was kind of a spur of the moment thing and isn't so unique anymore.  So if you see less ayba, and Mr. Base, then you'll know why.

I'm Shoe-RONICS when i post from my father's laptop, it seems that I'm permanently logged in here on the mother's pc.

Special shout-out to Kraig Kujawa of CAPCOM USA!!

Shoe Jul 12, 2009

Angela wrote:

You're certainly playing those "definitive" cards a lot lately, aren't you?

Didn't you get ze meme'?

It's und latest trend in gaming-schent, Hellooooo!!?

Idolores Jul 12, 2009

Shoe wrote:
Angela wrote:

You're certainly playing those "definitive" cards a lot lately, aren't you?

Didn't you get ze meme'?

It's und latest trend in gaming-schent, Hellooooo!!?

Ack, Shoe ees representink Deutschland! I sink you are trolling ze Angie on purpose, yes?

Shoe Jul 12, 2009 (edited Jul 12, 2009)

How is zis consider, vhat you say, 'Trolling'??

Idolores Jul 12, 2009

Shoe wrote:

How is zis consider, vhat you say, 'Trolling'??

I sought zat maybe you had said iz definitive version second time because of how defending Angie got ze first time. Maybe I am wronging, yes?

allyourbaseare Jul 14, 2009

Finished it up yesterday!

Angela wrote:

Meryl's death

Because I saw that little nugget of info I was waiting for her to get taken out by some sniper during the ending scene.  AAAARRRRRGHH!! 

Zane wrote:

Eh. I just played the final battle of MGS again this morning and after the REX fight the game went downhill. The last segments of the game were easily the worst parts, notably the drawn-out hand-to-hand fight with Liquid and the frustrating jeep chase scene. I guess it's satisfying once it's over, but the last 15 minutes of gameplay rank as my absolute least favorite part of the game.

I will agree with this word-for-word.  It's a shame, especially because the game really shone up to that point.  The hand-to-hand fighting was very clunky and it took a good 10 tries to actually finish off Liquid before the time went off or I died.  What's with the health bar showing no visible life and him still being able to fight?!

The jeep chase scene was decent, although you think Snake would be able to whip around that machine gun faster.  Meh.

SPOILER I did like the ending conversation with "Solidus", the President.  Does this carry into Metal Gear Solid 2?

My end time was around 10 hours.  Perfect.

Angela Jul 14, 2009

allyourbaseare wrote:

SPOILER I did like the ending conversation with "Solidus", the President.  Does this carry into Metal Gear Solid 2?

Yep, it does.  Ahh, the first of the end-of-game "bombshell cliffhanger" dialogue exchanges -- a series staple.  MGS1's was one of the better ones though.

Keep in mind that whether you decided to endure or submit during the torture alters this exchange of dialogue a bit, too.  Also, if you submitted, the final codec conversation between Campbell and Snake reveals a rather crucial nugget of information regarding Campbell and Meryl's relationship -- a plot thread that carries over to MGS4.

It's no secret that Meryl does live in MGS4, but both endings have story elements that could be considered canonical to the series. 

My end time was around 10 hours.  Perfect.

Told ya. ;)  I'd say MGS2 clocks in around the same time -- probably longer, given the lengthier codec sequences.  But MGS3 is a satisfying 20+ hours of what feels like a lot more gameplay.

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