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avatar! Sep 26, 2016

FuryofFrog wrote:

unlike the SNES...

So, is there a way to get HD from your SNES? I'm really hoping someone makes an upgraded SNES clone that connects via HDMI much like the AVS. Not holding my breath, although I think it will happen eventually. In the meantime, how can I get my SNES to display HD?

FuryofFrog Sep 26, 2016

avatar! wrote:
FuryofFrog wrote:

unlike the SNES...

So, is there a way to get HD from your SNES? I'm really hoping someone makes an upgraded SNES clone that connects via HDMI much like the AVS. Not holding my breath, although I think it will happen eventually. In the meantime, how can I get my SNES to display HD?

I was referring to RGB. SNES supports RGB out of the box that does not have to be restored as opposed to NES and N64.

In terms of NES it's more economical to invest in an AVS instead of Framemeister and RGB modding the NES.

I completely agree with you though. I would kill for a HDMI SNES. If they make the AVS equivalent of SNES I would die happy.

My Life in Gaming RGB 204 SNES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k2HVB9S8CA

Zorbfish Sep 27, 2016

avatar! wrote:

What do you mean "carry over" to other platforms?

A friend of mine uses it for his snes, playstation 1 & 2. I figured it makes more sense to buy a piece of hardware that could be used across more platforms than buying specific machines. I wasn't aware of the issue with the original Nintendo.

avatar! Nov 23, 2016

Scalpers paradise...

"NES Classic Edition scalpers benefit from eBay policy that ensures profit"

http://www.digitaltrends.com/gaming/eba … ng-profit/

"... the company’s recently instituted price guarantee policy will effectively allow scalpers to hold the NES Classic Edition for ransom throughout the rest of the year"

Just say NO to scalpers! Wait until after the holidays.

Ashley Winchester Nov 23, 2016

avatar! wrote:

Just say NO to scalpers! Wait until after the holidays.

This. Seriously, just wait or download emulators until you can get one.

I think the NES Classic is a cool item, but I had to be honest with myself on this one. If I got one, I probably wouldn't have opened it and it would have sat around since I've been so disinterested in games for the past year. Additionally, I'm assuming this hooks up via HDMI so I couldn't hook it up even if I wanted to.

But yeah, please wait on these. It's not worth paying above retail.

avatar! Nov 23, 2016

Ashley Winchester wrote:

I think the NES Classic is a cool item, but I had to be honest with myself on this one. If I got one, I probably wouldn't have opened it and it would have sat around since I've been so disinterested in games for the past year. Additionally, I'm assuming this hooks up via HDMI so I couldn't hook it up even if I wanted to.

I would totally advise saving up for either an Analogue NT or the cheaper (but still awesome) AVS. Those two systems play ALL NES & Famicom games, while the NES Classic plays what 30 games for $60 hmm
Also, as I've said quite a few times, the homebrew and repro games are amazing! Zelda Outlands is more fun than most AAA games yikes

Ashley Winchester Nov 23, 2016 (edited Nov 23, 2016)

avatar! wrote:

I would totally advise saving up for either an Analogue NT or the cheaper (but still awesome) AVS. Those two systems play ALL NES & Famicom games, while the NES Classic plays what 30 games for $60 hmm
Also, as I've said quite a few times, the homebrew and repro games are amazing! Zelda Outlands is more fun than most AAA games yikes

Well, to be honest I don't think the NES Classic Edition is aimed at the devout people/players who would eye an Analogue NT or AVS. I may be wrong but I think most of the NES classic editions may end up in the hands of children whose parents grew up with these games and want to introduce a younger generation to them. This isn't to say those children won't grow up and invest in those other options, but if I was still collecting, no, the NES Classic edition wouldn't replace getting the actual carts and consoles (original or otherwise); it would just be an additional extra/option in my collection.

Amazingu Jan 18, 2017

avatar! wrote:

Just say NO to scalpers! Wait until after the holidays.

Well, that idea didn't exactly end up working it seems... wink

Anyway, if you've been following the news you probably already know, but the NES Classic has been hacked!
Users can now install pretty much any ROM they want on the thing, and the process is super easy.

Apparently there's a 60 game limit due to UI restrictions, but there's actually a fair amount of storage space and the device could potentially hold MANY more games.

http://kotaku.com/people-have-started-h … 1790936458

brandonk Jan 19, 2017

Seriously, you're better off getting the AVS retro USB

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1259517

Play all games, better/accurate quality (not software emulation like Nintendo's own device, but hardware emulation).  There's a pretty good breakdown of the NES Classic and comparisons here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxek9ZD3Njw

I have an original Analogue NT that I'm getting repaired which has similar quality performance (power switch/button is faulty) but it's pretty over priced...but does have the HDMI NES configuration which is pretty great

avatar! Jan 19, 2017

brandonk wrote:

Seriously, you're better off getting the AVS retro USB

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1259517

Play all games, better/accurate quality (not software emulation like Nintendo's own device, but hardware emulation).  There's a pretty good breakdown of the NES Classic and comparisons here:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxek9ZD3Njw

I have an original Analogue NT that I'm getting repaired which has similar quality performance (power switch/button is faulty) but it's pretty over priced...but does have the HDMI NES configuration which is pretty great

Absolutely! There's also the Analogue NT Mini which is fully 1080p and smaller than the original. I believe the AVS is 720p. However, it's still far better than the NES Classic in my opinion since it plays all games! Although, I can understand people wanting the NES Classic because it's an official Nintendo product. Apparently Nintendo doesn't care as long as they get publicity hmm

brandonk Jan 19, 2017

avatar! wrote:

I believe the AVS is 720p. However, it's still far better than the NES Classic in my opinion since it plays all games! hmm

I think you're right...but in my experience, upscaling RGB signals and using things like scanlines, as well as the HiDef NES HDMI signal....720p is fine, and 1080 - always has something odd about it (not full screen, wierd artifacting).  There's an active debate on getting 1080p 'proper' but it doesn't really translate as well for me as 720p for retro games (which most are natively 240p).

avatar! Jan 19, 2017

brandonk wrote:
avatar! wrote:

I believe the AVS is 720p. However, it's still far better than the NES Classic in my opinion since it plays all games! hmm

I think you're right...but in my experience, upscaling RGB signals and using things like scanlines, as well as the HiDef NES HDMI signal....720p is fine, and 1080 - always has something odd about it (not full screen, wierd artifacting).  There's an active debate on getting 1080p 'proper' but it doesn't really translate as well for me as 720p for retro games (which most are natively 240p).

Never heard that before. Do you have a source to this? Also, wonder how this translates to 4K TVs?

brandonk Jan 19, 2017 (edited Jan 19, 2017)

well...there's all sorts of stuff...those my life and gaming guys go into it on one of their vids.  I believe I recall them saying 4k are believed to eventually work well because it is scalable from 240p and 720p)

This gent promotes 1080p with custom framemeister profiles, but you can read his comments to get a sense

http://www.firebrandx.com/generalframemeisternotes.html

My experience has been 'shortened' screen use and continued problems with scan lines, depending on the system at 1080p

It made sense to me why the AVS systems is 720 given the issues I encountered.

XISMZERO Apr 13, 2017

Ashley Winchester wrote:

Okay, I didn't want one of these things, but Nintendo deserves a middle finger for this. Note to Nintendo, don't bother making an SNES one if your going to do the same ****ing thing.

This makes zero sense. I have not seen one in person yet in 6 months. Clearly, there's a market demand for it as evidence by eBay scalping. What in the hell is going on at Nintendo?

Is there any word if the brass in Japan are dictating this? Will we continue to see Fami Minis (amid shortages)?

FuryofFrog Apr 13, 2017

XISMZERO wrote:
Ashley Winchester wrote:

Okay, I didn't want one of these things, but Nintendo deserves a middle finger for this. Note to Nintendo, don't bother making an SNES one if your going to do the same ****ing thing.

This makes zero sense. I have not seen one in person yet in 6 months. Clearly, there's a market demand for it as evidence by eBay scalping. What in the hell is going on at Nintendo?

Is there any word if the brass in Japan are dictating this? Will we continue to see Fami Minis (amid shortages)?

Man, sorry to hear that bro.

You might wanna take a look here then.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/04/13 … c-edition/

Amazingu Apr 13, 2017

Yeah, I wonder what NCJ is going to do, although I assume they'll discontinue it as well.
The Famicom Mini is just as hard to get your hands on by the way.

Ashley Winchester Apr 13, 2017

FuryofFrog wrote:

Man, sorry to hear that bro.

Well, again, I'm not interested in getting one. I had a chance and I passed it onto a friend that was looking. Sorry to get heated there, but I can't help but feel discontinuing it at this point is horrible. Many people didn't have a fair shot at obtaining these things. I can attest that employees at stores were scalping these. Many were barely on the sales floor before "someone went on break" and bought it/them.

You can say the Amiibos were in the same lot, but I think they their time of appeal may be over. When it came to the rare ones you usually import an import on the cheaper end. I've been seeing many EB's discounting their overstock lately.

Qui-Gon Joe Apr 14, 2017

I go 50/50 with my anger at Nintendo for scarcity of products.  On one hand they do incredibly stupid limited runs of things like that Fire Emblem double pack or the Hyrule Warriors LE BS.  On the other, I genuinely believe that some of their products are just stupid popular and sell out very quickly.  At least with Amiibo they actually continued to supply more of the things and some of the really hard to get ones from early on became much easier to get later.  This NES Classic discontinuation, though, is definitely on the WTF end of things.  I know a lot of people who still want one and haven't been able to find one.  I've NEVER seen one on the shelf.  Heck, lots of people in my life who don't otherwise play video games are really interested in having one, and Nintendo could sell so many more if they just kept the supply up! 

My guess is that the plan here is to fuel an interest in a forthcoming Switch virtual console service, and that doesn't really sit all that well with me.  Definite diminishing returns for that service in my mind since - while I have rebought a few games for Wii U that I had downloaded on Wii VC - I give them less and less money each generation.  That said I'm pretty solidly not the target audience for the NES classic in the first place, since I have no interest in buying a collection of 30 games that the ones I would actually want to play I already own on cartridge or downloaded into my Wii anyway.

raynebc Apr 14, 2017

Game developers are never going to convince me that a non-transferable digital copy of a game is anywhere near as valuable as a physical copy.  Re-masters are one thing (I'm a sucker for older Zelda games updated with new content for newer consoles), but if I'm dying to play a port of some obscure NES game I won't feel morally compelled to pay for it, especially with how low quality some of their ports have been.  As an example, I bought Mario All Stars for Wii just to find that it had hundreds of milliseconds of controller lag.  Nintendo pretended it wasn't a known issue (the Internet disagrees with them) and didn't do anything about it.

Ashley Winchester Apr 15, 2017

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

My guess is that the plan here is to fuel an interest in a forthcoming Switch virtual console service, and that doesn't really sit all that well with me.

Dumb question here. Why is there a part of me that feels while the causal crowd would have no problem picking up an NES Classic Edition, those people would be much less inclined to care about the Switch's virtual console service, even if they could get the same games. I mean one's much more plug and play than the other and less fuss.

If they're reading into it like you say, I can't help but feel Nintendo is misreading what group of people are likely to find the NCE interesting.

Qui-Gon Joe Apr 15, 2017

Not a dumb question at all, Ashley - I think there may actually be a misread going on there if that's the case.  I guess there COULD be some possibility that Nintendo's plan is to reinvigorate lapsed gamers with the NES classic thing and then lure them into the Switch hoping for Wii-like success that way?  That's really the only thing I can think of.  And I don't know if that's a truly possible outcome or not.  Time will tell!

GoldfishX Apr 15, 2017

I think Nintendo let the early success of the Wii go to their head and they may very well be thinking that.

NCE succeeded because it hit the right point of nostalgia, value and curiosity. For $60, you get about 15-20 of the most "legendary" games ever made in an attractive form factor and ready to hook up to anything with an HDMI port. My personal take is Nintendo threw it together as an afterthought (similar to those Genesis or Atari Flashback consoles) and then realized they were giving it away at that price-point. I think we'll see something to follow up that success. Whether it delivers value or if its an outright consumer gouger remains to be seen.

XISMZERO Apr 17, 2017

Countless reputable YouTubers (My LIfe in Gaming, Pat the NES Punk and GameSack) have outlined how overhyped, deeply limited and flawed the Classic Edition is from storage limitations to physical (cord) limitations. It's now purely collector's fodder. But there's two possibilities: there will be a second run determined by Nintendo due to a fury of market demand, a second version in the works or simply that this was merely a promotional tool to get Nintendo in the press until the Switch's launch. It worked.

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