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Jon Turner Nov 22, 2006

Kenology wrote:
Jon Turner wrote:

the music plays a faster version of "Dinosaur Boss Battle" from OoT

Link please.  Would love to hear that.

As for interactive music, Kondo is a big fan of it (and so am I) and has been doing it since Super Mario World.

It's during the Stailid battle (WARNING:  If you haven't played through the game yet, this may contain some spoilers, but if it's the music you're after, OK)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … 3109&hl=en


Yeah I've noticed it too; SUPER MARIO WORLD is an excellent early example of "interactive" music.  Case in point:  in each stage of the game whenever Mario boards Yoshi, a drum instrument plays along with each theme.  Nice early touch.

-Jon T.

Zane Nov 22, 2006

Kenology wrote:

As for interactive music, Kondo is a big fan of it (and so am I) and has been doing it since Super Mario World.

Side note: another series that does this is Sly Cooper. Man, I love the interactive music in the first game... it's great!!!

Kenology Nov 22, 2006

Man, at first, I was thinking to myself:  "What is Jon talking about?"

The boss theme didn't sound anything like "Dinosaur Boss Battle"... but I had to stick around for the second form - didn't realize the video was over 10mins.! 

It sounded nice, too bad they cut the last part out though.  I still like the in-game OoT version better (the OST version is sorely lacking the choir).

Come across anymore old arrangements?

Kenology Nov 22, 2006

Zane wrote:
Kenology wrote:

As for interactive music, Kondo is a big fan of it (and so am I) and has been doing it since Super Mario World.

Side note: another series that does this is Sly Cooper. Man, I love the interactive music in the first game... it's great!!!

I'll have to check that out.  Rare did a great job with it in the Banjo games too.

Jon Turner Nov 22, 2006

Kenology wrote:

Man, at first, I was thinking to myself:  "What is Jon talking about?"

The boss theme didn't sound anything like "Dinosaur Boss Battle"... but I had to stick around for the second form - didn't realize the video was over 10mins.! 

It sounded nice, too bad they cut the last part out though.  I still like the in-game OoT version better (the OST version is sorely lacking the choir).

Come across anymore old arrangements?

Sorry I forgot to mention that it plays at the second half mark--heh, I get too enthusiastic that I sometimes leave out things that I intend to say--but I do agree that it was a bit of a bummer that they cut out the second half of "Dinosaur Boss Battle."  That said, I DO like the frenzied, "hurry-up and strike the bad guy" style that plays when Link hammers Stailid down and closes in for the kill.  It seems like this is an all-new "theme" for TWILIGHT PRINCESS, as I've heard this new motif referenced on some of the latter boss tracks I saw bits and pieces of--Argohma and the Fire Temple boss (sorry, forgot his name).

I'll keep an ear out for more remixes.

-Jon T.

Harry Nov 23, 2006 (edited Nov 23, 2006)

For people who are interested or don't know already:

Music:
Toru Minegishi
Asuka Ota
Koji Kondo

TEASER MUSIC ORCHESTRATION
Mahito Yokotu

ARRANGEMENT
Michiru Oshima

Harry Nov 23, 2006

SonicPanda wrote:
Harry wrote:

ARRANGEMENT
Michiru Oshima

Hot damn...that just piqued my interest a bit.

Mind you, that was only for the teaser trailer music.

Kenology Nov 25, 2006

Kaleb.G wrote:

I'm over ten hours into the game and I have no problem with the sample quality.  While it's not up to the level of the samples used by HAL Laboratory (for example), it's a lot better than Wind Waker, IMO.  I think the biggest reason is because the samples are chosen a lot more carefully this time around.

I'll have co-sign on this...  Kaleb is right, the sample quality is much improved over Wind Waker.  You will hear some Wind Waker-ish samples here and there, but overall, the synth is a lot better and much  fuller.

XLord007 Nov 26, 2006

Arcubalis wrote:

Latest Target add has a Zelda TP Collector's Box which includes a mini shield and sword and the game soundtrack (doesn't say if it's the complete soundtrack or not).  I printscreened the site:

http://www.mephtik.net/members/jay/zelda.JPG

Looks pretty cool, but $40 is a lot of money.  big_smile

A friend of mine picked the above up and will be selling me the CD.  I'm pretty sure it's the same promo disc that comes with the NP offer.

XISMZERO Nov 26, 2006

They've gotten to eBay. Sorry to disappoint, but the soundtrack seems it only include about 6 or 7 tracks, like the Nintendo Power release. It's shiny and nice if maybe a tad expensive (for a palm-of-the-hand sized) sword and shield. I'll have to swing by Target and hopefully pick one up tomorrow...

http://cgi.ebay.com/Wii-Zelda-Master-Sw … dZViewItem

Wanderer Nov 26, 2006

I'm hoping that the rest of the music in the game is better than what's represented on those seven tracks. Aside from the field theme, they're dull (and the synth is just barely a notch above WW's).

Ryu Nov 26, 2006

I wonder what "Orchestra Piece #2" is.  Would Piece #1 be the trailer/demo track?

Jon Turner Nov 27, 2006

I meant to write this sooner, but....

I listened to all seven tracks from the ZELDA TWILIGHT PRINCESS OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK, via MP3s off http://www.thehylia.com/, and I was quite pleased with what I heard.  Here's an analysis of each track.

1.  Orchestra Piece #2--I don't know if this is an alternate piece for the trailer or if it takes place somewhere else in the game, but it starts and finishes in the same style as that former track.  After a fanfare and a quiet yet somewhat mysterious interlude, the piece explodes into a rousing, epic piece of music, complete with full instruments and a choir.  The sound quality on this track is incredible--they really DID record an actual orchestra for this track.  Kudos.

All the rest of the tracks are MIDI.

2.  Hyrule Field Main Theme--As with Ocarina of Time, this is an all new "Overworld" with small hints of both the original Overworld and OoT's.  It's more mature-sounding than either of those two, both in tone and composition, but it definitely has that "Overworld"-ish quality to it.  There is also somber moment where we hear a synthesized male's chorus "aah"-ing while the remaining instruments continue to play.  It took me a while to get used to this track; I was expecting something along the lines of what the first version of this was (I can't remember the link, Kenny might know it, though), but before long it clicked with me.  The sound samples, BTW, sound really good--not on par with Paper Mario:  The Thousand Year Door or Fire Emblem, perhaps, but still well done.  Of course, this track--and all the others--are all enhanced with reverb, sort of as to give the feel that they are studio-mastered.

3.  Ordon Village--This is, I think, the first place in the game.  Nothing outstanding, but it's pretty much what you'd expect for a village tune: calm in nature and genuinely pleasant.  The first part of the track involves pizzicato strings (which open the song) serving as a "backdrop" for what sounds like a panpipe.  Later we hear woodwind and string instruments.  Not one of the more outstanding tracks, but it serves its purpose and is fitting with the game's location.

4.  Kakariko Village--Ironically, the only thing about this famous ALLTP pieces I identified were the opening six notes (played on what sounds like a high-pitched whistle).  The rest of it is basically mellow, with light percussion and woodwinds.  I'm sure the song is like this for a reason though.  I'll know when I play the game.

5.  Death Mountain--This is, I think, one of the most bizarre tracks on the album.  Not in an offbeat, wacky way as in, say, Majora's Mask or WindWaker, however.  It's the "Goron City" theme--with additional instruments:  percussion, brass, and woodwinds.  Having been so used to how the original sounding, hearing this new version was a bit surprising.

6.  Midna's Theme--One of my favorite tracks on the album, outside of the first two:  melancholy and mysterious in tone, and complimented well by somber-sounding strings as well as a oboe [clarinet?] solo.  Too bad it's short, though.

7.  Ilia's Theme--This is the only track where the datedness of the MIDI becomes apparent:  The central melody--played what sounds like a cross in between an ocarina or a pipe--sounds fine, but the accompanying instrument sounds like one of those cheap vibe sound samples on an old Casio keyboard.  That aside, this, too, is a short "new character" theme.  It's pretty and pleasant, if not particularly rousing.

All in all, I wouldn't bother purchasing the NP CD just for these seven tracks--downloading them may be preferable; that way you don't waste any money.  What's there, though, sounds very nice and I am personally looking forward to hear more than what I've already listened to from the game videos on the web.

-Jon T.

Kenology Nov 27, 2006 (edited Nov 27, 2006)

The Death Mountain music is one of three "Goron City" arrangements, but it's definitely the best of the three.

Also, there are quite a few arrangements sprinkled all throughout the game:

"Goron City" - three arrangements
"Great Fairies Fountain"
"Zora's Domain"
"Nocturne of Shadow" - beautiful!
"Song of Healing" - Majora's Mask music finally gets some love
"Seranade of Water" - extended and absolutely lovely

Also, the overworld theme (OoT's "Hyrule Field Main Theme" motif) is all over the soundtrack...  the game over screen, Zora River, two cinema scene arrangements (so far), the overworld (duh), and I heard it somewhere else too. 


They definitely need to release a full-fledge soundtrack now.  This may be the best Zelda score yet.

EDIT:  Also, Jon... is that a broken link or did they just take the MP3s down?  I'd really like to have those tracks...  Can yo upost the link to the page where the samples are listed?  I went to the media section and didn't find anything.

Jon Turner Nov 27, 2006

Kenology wrote:

The Death Mountain music is one of three "Goron City" arrangements, but it's definitely the best of the three.

Also, there are quite a few arrangements sprinkled all throughout the game:

"Goron City" - three arrangements
"Great Fairies Fountain"
"Zora's Domain"
"Nocturne of Shadow" - beautiful!
"Song of Healing" - Majora's Mask music finally gets some love
"Seranade of Water" - extended and absolutely lovely

Also, the overworld theme (OoT's "Hyrule Field Main Theme" motif) is all over the soundtrack...  the game over screen, Zora River, two cinema scene arrangements (so far), the overworld (duh), and I heard it somewhere else too. 


They definitely need to release a full-fledge soundtrack now.  This may be the best Zelda score yet.

EDIT:  Also, Jon... is that a broken link or did they just take the MP3s down?  I'd really like to have those tracks...  Can yo upost the link to the page where the samples are listed?  I went to the media section and didn't find anything.

Try this:

http://www.thehylia.com/media/thumbnails.php?album=280

-Jon T.

Kenology Nov 27, 2006 (edited Nov 27, 2006)

Thanks!

"Hyrule Field Main Theme" is nice, but I wish they included the entire song as opposed to just this one iteration.  There are many more variations that switch in real time ala Ocarina of Time.

But at least I can rock out to "Death Mountain".  The "Goron City" theme never sounded better!

Qui-Gon Joe Nov 27, 2006

Yeah, I LOVE the Death Mountain arrangement.  I'm impressed so far... especially after I thought Wind Waker was a step back as far as synth quality.

XISMZERO Nov 27, 2006 (edited Nov 27, 2006)

They had absolutely no shortage of the Zelda Limited Editions at my other Target. Here's a picture of them I took indiscreetly today. After almost losing hope I wouldn't find them, there they were hidden (chime hidden Zelda theme) in the far back near the wall in electronics. I picked up two, one of them will be going to a lucky friend of mine this Christmas.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6709/dsc01134ds5.jpg

Jon Turner Nov 27, 2006

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

Yeah, I LOVE the Death Mountain arrangement.  I'm impressed so far... especially after I thought Wind Waker was a step back as far as synth quality.

I had no real problems with Wind Waker's score overall (the synth quality wasn't all bad on that one--particularly on some of the score's better tracks), but Twilight Princess is definitely above it by far.  It annoys me, however, that they STILL haven't announced a Japanese CD soundtrack release.  **Grumble Grumble...**

-Jon T.

Ryu Nov 28, 2006

XISMZERO wrote:

They had absolutely no shortage of the Zelda Limited Editions at my other Target. Here's a picture of them I took indiscreetly today. After almost losing hope I wouldn't find them, there they were hidden (chime hidden Zelda theme) in the far back near the wall in electronics. I picked up two, one of them will be going to a lucky friend of mine this Christmas.

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/6709/dsc01134ds5.jpg

On an unrelated topic, how much was that Tony Hawk skateboard thing?  Does it come with the PS2 game?

Crystal Nov 28, 2006

XISMZERO wrote:

They had absolutely no shortage of the Zelda Limited Editions at my other Target. Here's a picture of them I took indiscreetly today. After almost losing hope I wouldn't find them, there they were hidden (chime hidden Zelda theme) in the far back near the wall in electronics. I picked up two, one of them will be going to a lucky friend of mine this Christmas.

Same here, i was in Target.
Almost the whole shelf was still full.
Their display was facing out towards the aisle, in full view next to the toys with that skateboard right under it.
My jaw almost dropped to the floor when i saw the price.
Of course, I bought one though.  ;p

Arcubalis Nov 28, 2006

My Target had them locked away in the game cases.  For $40, I guess I can understand why.  Expensive!

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