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Daniel K Apr 21, 2009

Crash wrote:

I'm looking at the other forums, and will try to compile the total results later.

You rock.

By the way, what other forums was this posted at? Links to the threads, anyone?

Crash wrote:

Just at STC, I counted 544 different entries (this is an upper bound; I probably missed some overlap).  100th place was 34 points, so anything after that gets a little dicey.  If any person nominated one soundtrack as #1 and no one else even mentioned it (which happened a few times), it would get 30 points.

Maybe a Top 100 is best then.

GoldfishX Apr 21, 2009

The one at Gamingforce kinda fizzled. Shame, since there were quite a few "exclusive" people there into the stuff but chose not to put anything down (don't count the ones that say "in no particular order" at all and Shin's post there is tongue-in-cheek, so DON'T count any of that), but oh well...Chudahs Corner had like one list on it, I think. The ones here and at Squareenixmusic turned out pretty beefy though. If you know of anywhere else to repost this, go ahead.

Crash Apr 21, 2009 (edited Apr 28, 2009)

OK.  I think I've got this now.  Like GoldfishX said, the SquareEnixMusic forum was the only other one that had a substantial list.  I included the few that were on GFF and SlightlyDark, though, and tried to combine titles as best I could.  The Mana/Seiken Densetsu titles gave me the biggest headaches; I'm really not familiar with that series, and a lot of the titles are pretty similar.

Again, this presumes 30 points for a first-place vote, 29 points for a second-place vote, and so on down.  I didn't do any screening for titles that might not qualify due to GoldfishX's original specifications.  All told, there were 723 titles mentioned.  As you might expect, adding in the lists from SquareEnixMusic produces a final list that's even more heavily weighted towards Square.

Here are the top 100:
1. Final Fantasy VI Original Sound Version (807 points)
2. Chrono Cross Original Soundtrack (509 points)
3. Chrono Trigger Original Sound Version (412 points)
4. Xenogears Original Soundtrack (407 points)
5. Rockman 2 (362 points)
6. Xenogears CREID (361 points)
7. Akumajo Dracula X ~Nocturne in the Moonlight~ Original Game Soundtrack (326 points)
8. Seiken Densetsu 2 Original Sound Version (296 points)
9. Final Fantasy VIII OST (290 points)
10. Final Fantasy VII OST (289 points)
11. Final Fantasy IX Original Soundtrack (286 points)
12. Final Fantasy IV Original Sound Version (282 points)
13. Vagrant Story OST (275 points)
14. Dracula Battle Perfect Selection (254 points)
15. Final Fantasy Tactics Original Soundtrack (240 points)
16. Castlevania IV (217 points)
17. Genso Suikoden - Original Soundtrack (214 points)
18. Final Fantasy XII Original Soundtrack (198 points)
19. Final Fantasy X Original Soundtrack (197 points)
20. Final Fantasy VIII Fithos Lusec Wecos Vinosec (191 points)
21. Seiken Densetsu: The Legend of Mana Original Soundtrack (190 points)
22. Earthbound (187 points)
23. Super Metroid Sound in Action (175 points)
24. Streets of Rage 2 (145 points)
25. Tales of Legendia Original Soundtrack (142 points)
26. Rockman 3 (139 points)
27. Star Ocean: The Second Story Original Soundtrack (135 points)
28. Guilty Gear XX OST (133 points)
29. Baten Kaitos:  Eternal Wings and the Lost Ocean (130 points)
30. Lost Odyssey OST (128 points)
31. Soma Bringer Original Soundtrack (127 points)
32. SaGa Frontier II Original Soundtrack (125 points)
33. Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Original Soundtrack (124 points)
T-34. Rockman X (123 points)
T-34. Shadow of the Colossus OST (123 points)
36. Katamari Damacy Original Soundtrack, "Katamari Fortissimo Damacy" (121 points)
37. Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War Original Soundtrack (117 points)
T-38. Silent Hill 2 Original Soundtracks (116 points)
T-38. Ys ~ The Oath in Felghana OST (116 points)
40. Soukaigi Original Soundtrack (111 points)
41. Einhänder Original Soundtrack (109 points)
42. SHADOW HEARTS II Original Soundtracks (106 points)
43. Unlimited SaGa Original Soundtrack (105 points)
T-44. Dracula Battle II Perfect Selection (104 points)
T-44. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time OST (104 points)
T-46. Castlevania (102 points)
T-46. Perfect Collection Ys (102 points)
T-48. Metal Gear Solid OST (101 points)
T-48. Seiken Densetsu 3 OSV (101 points)
50. Parasite Eve Original Soundtrack (100 points)
51. Drag-on Dragoon 2 OST (97 points)
52. Actraiser Symphonic Suite (92 points)
53. Guilty Gear X: Heavy Rock Tracks (90 points)
54. Silent Hill 4: The Room OST (88 points)
T-55. Final Fantasy X-2 Piano Collections (87 points)
T-55. Super Mario RPG Original Sound Version (87 points)
57. Silent Hill Original Soundtracks (86 points)
T-58. Silent Hill 3 Original Soundtracks (85 points)
T-58. Super Mario Galaxy OST Platinum Version (85 points)
T-58. Valkyrie Profile Original Soundtrack (85 points)
T-61. Street Fighter II Alpha-Lyra with Yuuji Toriyama (81 points)
T-61. The Black Mages 1 (81 points)
T-63. Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII- Original Soundtrack (80 points)
T-63. drammatica - the very best of Yoko Shimomura (80 points)
T-63. Okami Original Soundtrack (80 points)
T-66. Castlevania II: Simon's Quest (79 points)
T-66. Final Fantasy X Piano Collections (79 points)
68. Phantasy Star Sound Collection (disc 2) (75 points)
69. Ys IV Perfect Collection Vol. 1 (73 points)
T-70. F-ZERO X Guitar Arrange Edition (72 points)
T-70. Kingdom Hearts Original Soundtrack (72 points)
T-70. Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections (72 points)
T-73. Ys VI: The Ark Of Napishtim Original Soundtrack (71 points)
T-73. Zwei!! Super Arrange Version (71 points)
T-75. Star Ocean 3 Till the End of Time Vol. 2 (70 points)
T-75. Tenchi Sozo Creative Soundtrack (Terranigma) (70 points)
T-75. Wild Arms the Vth Vanguard Original Score Vol. 1 (70 points)
78. Soul Calibur III OST -Legend of Sounds- (69 points)
T-79. Donkey Kong Country 2 ~ Diddy's Kong Quest (68 points)
T-79. SaGa Frontier II Piano / Rhapsody on a Theme (68 points)
81. Genso Suikoden II Original Game Soundtrack Complete Box (67 points)
82. Sonic Adventure 2 Original Soundtrack (66 points)
T-83. AIR Original Soundtrack (65 points)
T-83. Golden Sun 2 : The Lost Age (65 points)
T-83. King of Fighters '96 Arrange Trax (65 points)
86. Donkey Kong Country (64 points)
T-87. Distant Worlds: Music from Final Fantasy (63 points)
T-87. Wangan Midnight Maximum Tune 2 OST (63 points)
T-89. Castlevania III (62 points)
T-89. Phantom Brave OST (62 points)
91. Trusty Bell ~Chopin’s Dream~ OST (61 points)
T-92. Motoi Sakuraba Live Concert Star Ocean & Valkyrie Profile (60 points)
T-92. Shadow Hearts Original Soundtracks plus 1 (60 points)
T-92. Wild Arms Complete Tracks (60 points)
T-92. Xenosaga Episode I (60 points)
T-92. Ys III PC Engine Redbook (60 points)
97. Genso Suikoden II Original Game Soundtrack Vol. 1 (59 points)
T-98. Chrono Trigger: The Brink of Time (58 points)
T-98. Super Smash Bros. Brawl (58 points)
T-100. Genso Suikoden II Original Game Soundtrack Vol. 2 (57 points)
T-100. killer7 original sound track (57 points)
T-100. Panzer Dragoon II Zwei Original Soundtrack (57 points)

Edit: Edited #21 to make it clearer that this refers to the Legend of Mana OST.

Qui-Gon Joe Apr 21, 2009 (edited Apr 21, 2009)

Legend of Mana, my favorite OST of all time, didn't make the list?  I really wish I'd finally gotten around to voting.  sad

Edit: or is 21 supposed to be that?  Just plain "Seiken Densetsu" would mean that people voted the original Gameboy soundtrack significantly higher than T-70, which is the OST plus orchestral arrangements.

Cedille Apr 21, 2009

Crash wrote:

13. Vagrant Story OST (275 points)
15. Final Fantasy Tactics Original Soundtrack (240 points)
18. Final Fantasy XII Original Soundtrack (198 points)
37. Ace Combat 5: The Unsung War Original Soundtrack (117 points)

Glad to know some people have proper tastes besides me. Great project anyways.

Amazingu Apr 22, 2009 (edited Apr 22, 2009)

Holy shit, Silent Hill 2 got pushed back to 38!?

Methinks asking people at a SquareEnixMusic forum for their favorite music is not going to create a very diverse/objective/representative list, and this top 100 definitely confirms that.

Try posting the same question on Mega Man Network and Silent Hill Heaven and the list will look completely different.
Wouldn't it have been better to post this at more general VGM sites?

Crash Apr 22, 2009

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

Legend of Mana, my favorite OST of all time, didn't make the list?  I really wish I'd finally gotten around to voting.  sad

Like I said, I am unfamiliar with how the Mana/Seiken Densetsu series works.  Here were the different titles that were put on lists:

Legend of Mana
Legend of Mana (OSV)
Legend of Mana (Yoko Shimomura)
Legend of Mana Original Soundtrack
Legend of Mana ost
Seiken Densetsu (Legend of Mana) Original Soundtrack
Seiken Densetsu 2
Seiken Densetsu 2 (OST)
Seiken Densetsu 2 Original Sound Version
Seiken Densetsu 2 OST
Seiken Densetsu 2/Secret of Mana (SNES, Hiroki Kikuta)
Seiken Densetsu 3
Seiken Densetsu 3 (SNES, Hiroki Kikuta)
Seiken Densetsu 3 OST
Seiken Densetsu 3 OSV
Seiken Densetsu 3: Original Soundtrack
Seiken Densetsu 4
Seiken Densetsu II
Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections
Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections (Orchestral part)
Seiken Densetsu Sound Collections (OSV + arrange in one album)
Seiken Densetsu: Legend of Mana Original Soundtrack
Seikken Densetsu 2

Since a couple people put down Seiken Densetsu: Legend of Mana as a choice, I assumed that these represented the same game.  It looks like I mapped all of the Legend of Mana and Seiken Densestsu: Legend of Mana entries to Seiken Densestsu Original Soundtrack, which I presume to be this:

http://vgmdb.net/album/77

I suppose I should have used Seiken Densetsu / Legend of Mana Original Soundtrack as the name.

Cedille Apr 22, 2009

Amazingu wrote:

Methinks asking people at a SquareEnixMusic forum for their favorite music is not going to create a very diverse/objective/representative list, and this top 100 definitely confirms that.

This list could have been diverse but even less reprehensive and objective if people had nominated whatever they thought was cool and smart to pretend to like for the sake of the reverse snobbery. I don't think this was the case, but I still remember one member revealed his love for Ys was supported by the superiority he felt toward Square Enix fanboys who he claimed loved anything generic from the company.

I actually think SE in their olden days gets what it deserves, although I don't care more than the half member and, for that matter, pretty much anybody from the current inhouse team (except for Tanioka, but she's also grown mundane lately). If predictable, it's still reasonable.

Daniel K Apr 22, 2009

Amazingu wrote:

Holy shit, Silent Hill 2 got pushed back to 38!?

Yeah, really.

I like the diversity in the lower half of the list, but the upper half is just bad. And how about that top 20? 9 Final Fantasy albums, 14 Square albums. Holy Jeebus! We haven't progressed one bit. We're still in the jungle here, we're doomed. *cue stereotypical J-RPG villain speech about how this corrupt world must be cleansed with fires of destruction*

Razakin Apr 22, 2009

I wonder if it would be possible to this kind of think like a feature in here, like Soundtrack Central's community's Top 500 VGM releases of All-Time, taken from lists from people's profile.

So people could modify their list when time passes and new gems pops up, and old gems crack like fake ones.

SonicPanda Apr 22, 2009 (edited Apr 22, 2009)

Daniel K wrote:

I like the diversity in the lower half of the list, but the upper half is just bad. And how about that top 20? 9 Final Fantasy albums, 14 Square albums. Holy Jeebus! We haven't progressed one bit.

I dunno, I'd look at it as more of a sign that most people enjoy one or two enough to rank them highly, but that opinions differ on what the best ones are. That said, I seem to remember somebody stocking his Top 5 with 4 different Silent Hill scores, so maybe this criticism was tongue-in-cheek?

Shoe Apr 22, 2009

GoldfishX wrote:

I'd prefer to see 500, but...lol, everything thinks it's too much, so whatever.

How about meeting half-way at 250?

Eirikr Apr 22, 2009

Daniel K wrote:
Amazingu wrote:

Holy shit, Silent Hill 2 got pushed back to 38!?

Yeah, really.

I like the diversity in the lower half of the list, but the upper half is just bad. And how about that top 20? 9 Final Fantasy albums, 14 Square albums. Holy Jeebus! We haven't progressed one bit. We're still in the jungle here, we're doomed. *cue stereotypical J-RPG villain speech about how this corrupt world must be cleansed with fires of destruction*

I guess my other comment was too nice and went kind of unnoticed so I'll put my point more explicitly: stop being an elitist prick. I mean, really.

Sure, there are elitists in any hobby, just because there are always people way more into it than others. I raise my hand there as far as being way more into VGM is concerned, and probably most of the people who frequent this board would as well. The problem is, this community is way too small, and the annoying stinkers seem far, far bigger.

Who gives a shit if people like the music they like? I'm going to venture a bit of a guess here -- a lot of us started collecting and actively listening to game music during the PlayStation era (you know, the one that was dominated by Square). I'll have to raise my hand again there. In fact, all of my first albums purchased were from Square games like FFVIII, FFIV, and Xenogears (and were all bootlegs too, but that's neither here nor there).

This should be VGM 101, but the rise of the Internet and more active availability of merchandise along with the contemporary popularity of Square's stuff probably lead a lot of people to order CD like I did instead of the soundtrack to some obscure Konami shooter. Sure, NOW I wish I would have ordered Gradius Gaiden instead, but I hadn't played that game then and wouldn't have had the memories of the it and the emotions attached to the music, which is probably another reason so many of these old Square albums still stick. No one who loves Final Fantasy is going to listen to say, Silent Hill 2, and just immediately forget Final Fantasy exists. To repeat, we are partying like it's 1999 because guess what -- that's around when we joined the party! In fact, that's me exactly-- I ordered FFVIII in the fall of '99.

And really, we must have "progressed" a little bit because I don't really see much in the way of more recent Square stuff on the list, besides obvious ones like Kingdom Hearts. For me at least, that's because most of their new games past the main series FFs sucked and I really haven't played them. In fact, I'd say our top VGM lists are just as equally indicative of our habits as gamers and game music listeners. If I had done a list, it would have been filled to the brim with Konami shooters, Castlevania, Mega Man, and of course some Final Fantasy thrown in there, while being topped off with Vagrant Story -- those of course being my favorite games of all time. I don't think I could have even placed my more recent favorites from the Shin Megami Tensei series like Nocturne and P4 in a top 10 just because they don't yet resonate with me like the old classics from the past do. They just need time.

I guess if the game music community doesn't recognize enough obscure stuff for you to be happy with, go listen to commercial jingles or something instead. Oh wait, you'd probably be pissed when some forum list chose the Alka Seltzer jingle over whatever "better" song you had in mind.

But sorry dude, I hate ratting on anyone in the VGM community because my VGM hobby is something I'm really proud of and have enjoyed ever since I first recorded Secret of Mana off the TV. But I think it should be a hobby anyone should be allowed to enjoy without being judged, because music taste is quite subjective; yet, the more ubiquitous stuff will always find more of a common ground than the obscure.

Daniel K Apr 22, 2009 (edited Apr 22, 2009)

Wow, you've totally misunderstood me, Eirikr. This part

Daniel K wrote:

Holy Jeebus! We haven't progressed one bit. We're still in the jungle here, we're doomed. *cue stereotypical J-RPG villain speech about how this corrupt world must be cleansed with fires of destruction*

and this

Daniel K wrote:

*throws a hysterical fit*

was meant to oh-so-subtly suggest that my criticism is very much tongue-in-cheek, like SonicPanda put it. You really think that I participated in the voting and anticipated the result, and also expected it to be fashioned after my own taste? Like I've said many times, I found the list to be very good and mildly amusing. Sorry dude, but if you think I'm angry or even irritated by the list, you're way off. Since the basis of it is completely, 100% subjective, what's the point in getting worked up about it?

As for "elitist prick", sorry, but no. I'll accept "ironic prick" or "sarcastic prick" any day of the week, but I've consistently been anti-elitist in my posts here, whether its been defending obscure genres of music as being legitimate VGM (as in the great ambient debates of the early 2000s, if anyone still remembers), or pointing out that people who record game music from TVs or download it can be just as big fans of the hobby as someone who blows a lot of money on officially released soundtracks (in contrast to some people who claim only people that buy VGM CDs can be called VGM fans). I may be forceful in expressing my views now and then, but I do not think I'm better or more "elite" than anyone else. The two are very different things.

Eirikr wrote:

But I think it should be a hobby anyone should be allowed to enjoy without being judged

Who is judging? Have you felt a verdict come down on you, do you fear consequences? Chill out, man. I was just expressing my opinions, which are as subjective as anyone else's. Not to imply anything, but do you really feel so insecure as to take my tomfoolery and sarcastic-bombastic melodrama as an attack on your taste or your VGM-roots? People are so thin-skinned about this. Seriously, if this list had turned out to be more to my liking and someone said nasty things about it, I'd just shrug it off, since its just a silly list done for fun and nothing to get worked up over. Right?

Out here on the internetz, you'll hear a lot of things that will annoy and anger you, and you'll meet many people you feel pass judgment on you or scorn your views/tastes. My advice: shrug it off, take it with a smile, since its just opinions. smile And opinions (together with information) are what public forums are all about.

Qui-Gon Joe Apr 22, 2009

Crash:

Yeah, the Mana series is pretty much:

Seiken Densetsu (released as Final Fantasy Adventure in the US) for Gameboy
Seiken Densetsu 2 (released as Secret of Mana in the US) for SNES
Seiken Densetsu 3 (not released in the US) for SNES (err... Super Fami)
Seiken Densetsu: Legend of Mana (released in the US as just Legend of Mana) for PS1
Seiken Densetsu: Sword of Mana (released in the US as Sword of Mana) for GBA

And... okay that's pretty much where my familiarity with the series ends.  There was a horrible PS2 game and a couple DS titles that also got "~of Mana" subtitles.  In any case, the confusion probably comes from the weird choice of a slash instead of a colon on the OST's case, when the "Legend of Mana" part is a subtitle for the fourth game released.

(I can't believe I actually know all this, considering how much I generally dislike the series as a whole)

Anyway, as for the list as a whole, I'm not sure if I'm happy there's as much Falcom stuff as there is or sad that there isn't more.  VERY Square Enix heavy, though more skewed towards older Square stuff.  That says something in itself, I think.

Chris Apr 22, 2009 (edited Apr 22, 2009)

Regarding SEMO, it's not just dedicated to Square Enix, but a hell of a lot of other things as well and will pretty much be a general game music resource by the end of the year. Most members there listen to a lot of game music and many of them more than most of the regular members here. There's also been plenty of contests to expose more obscure game music to newer fans. Given it's also a big site for reviews (1200 and counting!), most tend to be fairly analytical in their considerations and don't just nominate based on "OMG, it's Final Fantasy. It must make it!" Obviously it would bias things a bit more towards Square Enix, but not that much, given other forums have their own biases too as PQTN said. I think what we've got is a very fascinating insight into the tastes of the main VGM community, which would have been skewed towards Final Fantasy, Mega Man, and Castlevania wherever you go.  Interesting list anyway and thanks so much for compiling it, Crash, and for organising the project, GFX!

Shoe Apr 22, 2009 (edited Apr 22, 2009)

Adam Corn wrote:

There's a not a single Dragon Quest soundtrack in the results.

That IS something else, isn't it?


And dammit! I totally fergot to vote for Legend of the Mystical Ninja on SNES!!

Shoe Apr 22, 2009

yuzoboy wrote:

28. Streets of Rage 2 (82 points)

Go Yuzo!

Anyone else think the Streets of Rage 2 ost is a little excessive in the Treble department?
I always hafta turn the treble way down when i listen to it.

Crash Apr 22, 2009

I still have the full list and spreadsheet that I used if anyone is interested.  Is there someplace I could upload them so that interested parties could check them out?  The final list is a 35KB text file, while the spreadsheet is about 700KB.

Shoe Apr 22, 2009

Chris wrote:

..Interesting list anyway and thanks so much for compiling it, Crash, and for organising the project, GoldFish-X!

Yeah, both of you guys get Heroes of The Month awards!

Chudah Apr 22, 2009

I know I don't post so much these days, but just wanted to note that it's really, REALLY surprising to see the AIR OST actually make the list.  smile  I think that's progress right there.  Though I'd have liked to see a few more western soundtracks on there....possibly Ecco or Sonic CD.  Oh well.

Boco May 6, 2009 (edited May 6, 2009)

I'm glad that the results got compiled!  Even though the top of the list is what I expected, there are a lot of interesting results the farther down you go.  Overall I think this is a pretty good representation of the top 100 video game soundtracks.  big_smile

Some results that I found interesting:

T-92. Xenosaga Episode I
(I would have thought this one would be higher.)

T-83. AIR Original Soundtrack
(I didn't think it would make the list! I'm so glad it did. smile )

T-63. Dirge of Cerberus -Final Fantasy VII- Original Soundtrack
(I've grown to like this soundtrack quite a bit, but I never expected it to make the top 100.)

T-61. The Black Mages 1
(Although the first one was good, I liked 2 and 3 quite a bit more. Funny that only this one made it.)

T-34. Rockman X
(Only at 34... at least it's in the top 50.)

22. Earthbound
(I figured it would make the top 50, but 22? I guess I'm missing out...)

1. Final Fantasy VI Original Sound Version
2. Chrono Cross Original Soundtrack
(I knew it would happen, but I was really hoping these two would be reversed. Oh well.)


If I were to remake my list, I suspect it would be quite a bit different now.  I've found some new soundtracks and had more time to think about which are truly my favorites.  It would be awesome if there was a more dynamic way of doing this.  I need to think about that.

Megavolt Jun 19, 2009

Hmm, I just checked out the results of this thing recently.  It's really not a bad outcome.  It doesn't match my personal list at all, but I knew that wasn't going to happen.  As for the placement of many Final Fantasy scores near the top, the thing with Final Fantasy is that there are a lot of them and that each one has its fans.  That means a lot of people are going to have at least one Final Fantasy score in their top five, so even if those people have varied lists otherwise, putting them all together is going to result in a Final Fantasy and Square-dominated top twenty.

Boco:

I, for one, am glad that FFVI beat out Chrono Cross for the top spot.  Four Mitsuda works in the top six is ridiculous.

Zane Jun 20, 2009

9. Final Fantasy VIII OST (290 points)
10. Final Fantasy VII OST (289 points)

Wow, this is very intriguing. VIII - which I hold in high regard as that experimental and awesome middle OST between the (d)evolution from VI to the darker and interesting sounding VII and Uematsu's slight regression in style (not a bad thing!) on IX - beats out casual fan-favorite VII by one point. I'd ask for a photo finish, but that would just be CDs sitting on a desk and that would be boring.

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