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Ashley Winchester Feb 20, 2008 (edited Feb 20, 2008)

Since I went to the trouble to rip the hidden track from the pregap of the third disc of the SaGa Frontier Original Soundtrack, I figured I'd post a link to it to save others the legwork:

Theme of Coon (Riki):
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3u7czd

I encoded it at 320kbps so if need be you can re-encode it match what you ripped the rest of the soundtrack at.

This was taken from the reprint so it is confirmed to be on both prints.

More information can be found in this thread: http://altpop.com/stc/forums/viewtopic.php?id=2743

Now if only the theme for the Capt. Hamiltion's Victoria was on there somewhere!

Kaleb.G Feb 20, 2008

So this track is actually at the very beginning of Disc 3, right? I want to know so I can update VGMdb with this info.

Ashley Winchester Feb 20, 2008 (edited Feb 20, 2008)

Kaleb.G wrote:

So this track is actually at the very beginning of Disc 3, right? I want to know so I can update VGMdb with this info.

When it comes to how the data is laid out on the disc, yes... the track is at the beginning of the disc - right before track 3-01, Mosperiburg where a player normally starts playing the disc. I just labeled it as 3-21 so it wouldn affect the numbering of the tracks that followed on my rip.

You may want to make note you need a program than can read the "pregap" of a CD if you want to rip it, such as CD-Rwin (thanks to the person in the previous thread for mentioning this.) You can also access the track by playing the disc and rewinding beyond the beginnning of "Mosperiburg," but once you convert it into a file like an mp3 that is no longer possible since that data is no longer there.

chocobo000 Feb 20, 2008

Can you please repost the instuctions on how to rip these types of "hidden" tracks?

I tried to rip the hidden track in FF7 Reuion Tracks but can't get it to work using CDRwin. I remember you have to enter the sectors in the pregap, but all I get are errors when I do that. sad

Ramza Feb 20, 2008

chocobo000,

I also get those errors. I was actually tring to get the "Theme of Coon" track myself, and was unable to. IIRC, it depends on how your CD/DVD drive is attached to your motherboard. When I was younger, I was able to rip a pre-gap track by doing some sort of weird direct line-in audio set up and then using the OLD "CD Player" program from Windows 95. If I could get those programs, that's how I'd do it again.

A lot of the newer CD/DVD drives just seem UNWILLING to pick up the tracks. So it may be best to put the CD in a CD Player, run some audio cords (line-in / line-out) to your computer, and hit the "record" button.

Ramza

PS - Ashley, the standard as I know it is to list pre-gap tracks as track zero, so Theme of Coon could be 3-00. Thoughts?

Ashley Winchester Feb 21, 2008

Ramza wrote:

PS - Ashley, the standard as I know it is to list pre-gap tracks as track zero, so Theme of Coon could be 3-00. Thoughts?

I wasn't sure if marking the track as 0 of 20 would set it at the top of the tracklisting or the bottom. Sometimes programs can be weird with numbering which is why I did what I did. I changed it in iTunes to 0 out of 20 (my default player) and it's above 3-01 Mosperiburg so I think that is the better option like you said.

And chocobo000, I'll try and write out how I did it tomorrow. However, worse comes to worse I'll just get a dub of Reunion tracks from somewhere and post it after extracting it. I don't have a copy of the album though - there is too much on the full soundtrack that's not on it and I'm personally not to big on the orchestral tracks - and for obvious reasons can't use a rip in this case. But take heart! I acknowledge your plight and it's no less important than Theme of Coon!

Sry, that last part was over the top... I'm gonna hunt me some Coon.

Wait, I just remembered I hated Riki's game.

jb Jan 12, 2016

Dredged this from the bottom of the depths of the boards because it came up in a google search, but do you still have this track?  I've tried ripping the HTOA on 3 different PCs with 3 different drives.  1 drive can't rip it at all and the other 2 (both different) drives are able to rip the track but it cuts out the first ~2.5 seconds of the song, which is about the first 4.5 notes of the theme.  I was comparing it to the youtube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNcC7VZIkZg but I don't know if the youtube video is sourced from a sound test or in game or something.

Does your have the same issue or are my CD drives being pieces of junk?

Zorbfish Jan 12, 2016

I've never had a HTOA issue using any drive with EAC. That said I usually only use LiteOn drives which usually have a small drive read offset (+-6). Maybe the seconds you're losing are because you have a large read offset on your drives and it's not adjusting?

jb Jan 13, 2016

Zorbfish wrote:

I've never had a HTOA issue using any drive with EAC. That said I usually only use LiteOn drives which usually have a small drive read offset (+-6). Maybe the seconds you're losing are because you have a large read offset on your drives and it's not adjusting?

I think the forum ate my reply.  Or I pressed the "! REPORT" button again and posted a reply that way... not the first time I've done that...

Anyway...

3 Drives:

1) Plextor PX-230A, which is pretty much unanimously defined as the last great "CD ripping" drive.  I actually have 2.  This one doesn't read the HTOA *at all*, just 100% Sync Error and writes silence or a repeated frame over and over.
2) Pioneer BDC-207D
3) HP GH82N

2 and 3 both have the same read offset correction (+667) and both got that from AccurateRips offset database (http://www.accuraterip.com/driveoffsets.htm), which is unlikely but not impossible to be inaccurate.  I also tried just manually changing the offset to 0 and it didn't change the output at all.

Not sure what else I can try but I'm fairly certain I have EAC configured properly for accurate ripping (using the what.cd recommended guide: http://filesharingtalk.com/threads/4352 … %28EAC%29)

Ashley Winchester Jan 13, 2016

Sorry for being late to this party. As you'll read my timing completely sucks yet is just insanely ironic.

Two days ago I got my old single core, Windows XP machine out of my basement with the intent of siphoning the back log of music on it with the intent of going through it.

This is the machine I originally used to rip the file above... and that mp3 actually might have still been on the HD because a rip of the SG OST was on there, but I deleted all the folders for albums I still owned because I re-ripped my collection to my current rig. Unfortunately, I did this before I saw this topic and the recycle bin had already been emptied... so if I had the song (a VERY strong possibility) it's gone now. However, it was only ripped at 128kps so it would have been good enough to experience the track, but probably not good enough for other people's archival purposes.

Anyway, beyond this I realize I'm probably going to have to send this old PC to the graveyard. Last time I used it in 2014 to play Diablo II I was able to get it to recognize the mouse I bought... but I can't get it to recognize it now and support for Windows XP ended in at the end of 2014. Doing anything with it now is not worth the hassle.

I'm siphoning the rest of the music but my god... doing everything with the keyboard is just BALLS. Additionally, I have to burn via Windows because I can get past the last screen in my old burning program without a mouse click so I'd related to using CD-Rs instead of DVDs since Windows XP never had native DVD burning support (which I actually had to research and found kind of shocking)

Additionally:

1) I tried setting up a network through my router to just transfer the files... big headache that went nowhere.
2) I tried using my USB thumbdrive but it's too new and the windows XP machine won't recognize it.

Man o' man I'm having so much fun!

Ashley Winchester Jan 13, 2016

jb wrote:

But you can hear it cuts off in the beginning compared to the youtube link from above.

Did yours do that?

Yes, it did.

When ripping it with the piece of software I used (man this all seems so long ago...) I had to start the rip the second after the track started. The software wouldn't let me start the recording at the true beginning for some reason, saying that time-mark was outside of parameters. In all honesty I don't know how the person on YouTube managed to get that first second of the track, but I'd sure be interested in how he/she did it.

Not saying your foolish for wanting a archival version of the track, but the fact that "Theme of Coon" is never even used in the game just makes it a general curiosity for me. That might not sound like much yet this is coming from someone who actually likes that mess of a game for some reason and played/plays it quite regularly. I like Ito's work a lot (and there are a lot of key songs that go with certain memories) but I have to admit that a lot of it has to do with nostalgia.

jb Jan 14, 2016

Alright, you're the second person who's confirmed that it's ripped like that in addition to me so I guess it's not just me.  I just want to make sure I wasn't doing something wrong or that there wasn't something different with my drives than other peoples'.

That guy might have used a line-in from a real CD player to record it, I'm not sure if it works properly in an actual CD player and not a CD drive.  I'll try in my car but short of that I don't even know anyone with an *actual* CD player anymore.

Alcahest Jan 14, 2016

I'm the 2nd person, ripped sectors 0-9459, same cut intro.
YT dude might just have converted the psf.

Ashley Winchester Jan 14, 2016 (edited Jan 14, 2016)

Alcahest wrote:

YT dude might just have converted the psf.

Didn't even think of this... that is totally possible.

Many of the YT soundtrack rips come from the psf's instead of the soundtrack.

student41269 Jan 14, 2016

As a bit of extra certainty, I ripped disc 3 to a .bin file plus cuesheet (ImgBurn), then edited the .cue to make the track 1 pregap a track of its own, and ripping/playing this back also reveals the intro to be missing (while it works perfectly for the FFVII Reunion album).

I think it's fairly conclusive the data for the beginning of this SaGa Frontier track is not on the disc.

jb Jan 14, 2016

student41269 wrote:

As a bit of extra certainty, I ripped disc 3 to a .bin file plus cuesheet (ImgBurn), then edited the .cue to make the track 1 pregap a track of its own, and ripping/playing this back also reveals the intro to be missing (while it works perfectly for the FFVII Reunion album).

I think it's fairly conclusive the data for the beginning of this SaGa Frontier track is not on the disc.

Thanks for additional confirmation, I'll add this info to VGMdb album info and threads for respective albums.

Ashley Winchester Jan 14, 2016

student41269 wrote:

As a bit of extra certainty, I ripped disc 3 to a .bin file plus cuesheet (ImgBurn), then edited the .cue to make the track 1 pregap a track of its own, and ripping/playing this back also reveals the intro to be missing (while it works perfectly for the FFVII Reunion album).

I think it's fairly conclusive the data for the beginning of this SaGa Frontier track is not on the disc.

Interesting.

TerraEpon Jan 14, 2016

Just putting in my vote for 'it's that way on the CD'. I'm absolutely convinced that the first second does not exist on it, based on the fact that a direct image copy doesn't actually have it.

RFGalaxy Nov 10, 2017

Hey there, I saw some mention of a thread concerning this track on a site that goes by STC, so I tracked this website down and... well, here I am tongue I posted this information on VGMdb and maybe many of the same people go to both places, but it's possible that others primarily hang out here, so I figured I would post the information here as well so that it gets out there. This is basically copypasta from VGMdb.

The HTOA doesn't cut off any notes that I can hear. The HTOA, however, is extremely tricky to rip because of how the CD was mastered. I hope it's okay to post this kind of technical data, but in order to catch the full track, you need to use an offset of -43325 in a ripping program like EAC, and EAC in particular doesn't even let you go that far plus or minus—you actually have to edit the Windows registry while the program is closed to achieve it! It can be done though, and the resulting rip of the track is very complete. The reason the first bit of the track was getting cut off is because that large of an offset is almost an entire second (44100 samples), so essentially, the first second of the track would be missing. Additionally, some drives cannot overread into an adjusted offset, which could possibly lose more.

So basically... yeah, there's nothing wrong with the audio data, it's all there, it's just how you have to go about ripping it that can be the "problem". Also, just so you know, that offset doesn't interfere with the end of the track; there's a margin of 7860 samples, so ripping with the -43325 will put all 7860 silent samples at the end of the track. That's about 1/6 of a second, but still enough to catch everything. So this track can be ripped, it just takes a good drive, and some conviction big_smile Hope this helps!

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