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Sami Nov 17, 2009

Bernhardt wrote:

So, can we expect the store to be sold out of all copies, or do they release an ample supply of games these days?

I just started thinking about that and reconsidered my dawdling. There will probably be ample supply, but there will also be huge demand. Which will win out?

Bernhardt Nov 17, 2009 (edited Nov 17, 2009)

Y'know something, the only issue I take with this game is its title:

"New Super Mario Bros. Wii"

The title starts out with "New" and ends with the name of the console its on, as if we needed to be reminded of that.

First off, is the "New." Imagine if the latest installment of each franchise was preceded with "New." Everything would be alphabetized by the "N" for "New," before the rest of the title. Imagine if we had "New Silent Hill" or "New Resident Evil" or "New Left for Dead" or "New Call of Doody." Imagine how annoying that would be. It's even more annoying that preceding the title with "Super," e.g. Super Contra, or Super Metroid, or Super Castlevania. And quite frankly, I never grasped why they call them the "Super Mario Bros." as opposed to the "Mario Bros." My only guess is that it's a marketing shtick. An annoying marketing shtick.

Then comes the Wii part at the end. It's kind of like, it's Mario. It's going to be on a Nintendo console. And the Wii (besides the DS) is the latest Nintendo console. What other home console is it going to be on?

Although, I guess they had to make it CLEAR that it was a new entrant in the series, as opposed to a remake or what-have-you, but what happened to numbering schemes or subtitles?

They couldn't figure out a better title?!

What're they gonna call the next entrant in the series, especially when Nintendo releases possibly their next home console?

Amazingu Nov 17, 2009

Bernhardt wrote:

Y'know something, the only issue I take with this game is its title:

"New Super Mario Bros. Wii"

Well, I agree about the "New", which is always a dumb word to use for a title because it never applies for long.

Other than that, there's nothing new here.
Lots of SNES games started with "Super", and lots of N64 games had "64" attached to the end, it's not a new trend or anything.

XLord007 Nov 18, 2009 (edited Nov 18, 2009)

Here's a question:

I was playing World 1 and when I went through warp pipe to see where it would take me, the airship flew away to World 5.  I went back to World 1 and beat it, but I was wondering what happens with the airship if you don't visit the warp pipe.  Anyone know?

I'm in the "loves NSMB DS" crowd (with the exception of the too easy to get 1-ups), so I'm loving this one too (again with the exception of the too easy to get 1-ups).  I wish they kept the koopa suit from the DS one, though.  That was a lot of fun.

Finally, huge props to Nintendo for having the koopas actually stop and dance to the music during their march.  I couldn't have smiled more the first time I saw that.

Sami Nov 18, 2009

Bernhardt wrote:

First off, is the "New." Imagine if the latest installment of each franchise was preceded with "New." Everything would be alphabetized by the "N" for "New," before the rest of the title. Imagine if we had "New Silent Hill" or "New Resident Evil" or "New Left for Dead" or "New Call of Doody." Imagine how annoying that would be. It's even more annoying that preceding the title with "Super," e.g. Super Contra

Or NEO Contra?

The title is fine. Cute, quick, gets the job done. The practice of naming a game according to its console is still alive and well: Wii Sports, Wii Play, Wii Fit, Mario Kart Wii, and now New Super Mario Bros. Wii. Why worry about what the name will be in the future, when there's lots of things you can call this one? New Mario, New SMB, New Mario Wii, Mario Wii, Wii Mario, just go wild!

Angela Nov 18, 2009

XLord007 wrote:

I was playing World 1 and when I went through warp pipe to see where it would take me, the airship flew away to World 5.  I went back to World 1 and beat it, but I was wondering what happens with the airship if you don't visit the warp pipe.  Anyone know?

I don't believe you actually confront the airship until later on in the game.  Mind you, I've only finished up to World 3 at this point, but I've used no warps of any kind, and in each case, the airship flies off after the completion of the end-of-world castle.

I can only guess you take on the airship toward the end of the game, perhaps as one big, lengthy level.

Carl Nov 18, 2009

After seeing some newer vids that looked and played surprisingly like SUPER MARIO WORLD, I'm pretty tempted to get this.  (inside the castles with the mesh fences to climb, being able to ride Yoshi again, those sky levels, etc..)

I don't care about a propeller hat, and I passed on the DS game, but if this game is really a "Super Mario World 2" in disguise, then I'm sold.

XLord007 Nov 18, 2009

Angela wrote:

I don't believe you actually confront the airship until later on in the game.  Mind you, I've only finished up to World 3 at this point, but I've used no warps of any kind, and in each case, the airship flies off after the completion of the end-of-world castle.

Ok, thanks for the clarifying.

Wanderer Nov 18, 2009

I don't care about a propeller hat, and I passed on the DS game, but if this game is really a "Super Mario World 2" in disguise, then I'm sold.

In tone, the game feels more like the DS game than Super Mario World. Part of it is just the way Mario feels (very heavy and less sprightly) and then there's the annoying wah wahs in the music.

Fortunately, the game DOES have more level variety than the previous attempt. The castle levels in particular remind me of SMW (and are similarly difficult).

I'm halfway through the second world and the game is entertaining... but to me, it's still missing the magic that SMW and especially Yoshi's Island had. It's hard to put my finger on exactly why I feel this way.

Wanderer Nov 19, 2009

I've decided I can't complain too much about all the 1-Ups as I spent well over 10 lives trying to get a maddening coin in 2-1...

raynebc Nov 19, 2009

A friend and I played all the "recommended" worlds (and "team" completed all of them), but haven't started the actual game yet.  The World 8 level took us a good 10 tries or so, and was very maddening.  So far, we find it similar to Little Big Planet in that it's one of the few multiplayer, side-scrolling platform games we've played recently.  Definitely worth buying.

Wanderer Nov 21, 2009

While I'll grant most of my deaths have been from carelessness (and the nasty case of the flu I'm currently battling), it's never a great ego booster when the slightly transparent green block pops up. wink

Wanderer Nov 21, 2009

Just started World 3 and I'm finding it really tough. Impatience mostly kills me... but even when I'm not going after the coins (always the hardest part), the environments do me in. I've really warmed up to this game. It's a blast!

vert1 Jun 8, 2010 (edited Jun 9, 2010)

I gotta say this is the worst Mario sidescroller I have ever played--which doesn't sound bad since I've enjoyed all of them (I have stayed the hell away from New Super Mario Bros DS), but let me tell you why this is bad.

Impressions:
New Super Mario Bros Wii is terrible single player, and multi-player can't really be much better. The new suit, the propellor suit, is our shitty version of the tanuki suit and cape. All you can do is go straight up and then you travel slow as f--- in horizontal directions, so pretty much you only use it to ascend and want to get on the ground immediately; I feel much anguish slowly moving. The levels so far have not taken advantage of this suit because that would require levels consisting of the screen slowly rising or falling. Perhaps, levels where the screen is moving horizontally against the player's control would take advantage of this power-up (slow moving screen for a slow moving power up). And that leaves me to discuss the levels. There are no levels in the first world that auto-scroll; the lack of variety in the first world leads to the lack of suit difference appreciation. The levels in the first world are designed to barely take advantage of the propellor suit. Once you go straight up to collect the big coin there is no reason to keep using the suit's power. The propellor suit so far is not fun/taking advantage of the level in a pleasurable way. And by having a suit that allows users to gain high vertical distance by the flick of a controller, Nintendo has added a suit that makes platforming deaths less likely to occur. To counteract that fact, Nintendo would have to deliver harder levels (levels that make it harder to ascend or levels that attack the player so they lose their extremely advantageous suit). The game is designed for 4 player co-op. However the camera does not need to pan out so much like it does for single player. The levels so far are boring. The only joy of the game is having your friend kill you or attempt to kill you and you killing them first. Ice mario is pretty cool and there are a lot of cool things nintendo could do with that suit.

I mean I am still on the first world (beat the first castle koopa kid). I couldn't bother to keep playing it (for that one-session, not ever again), but one thing I REALLY REALLY hate is the collect 3 coin shit. This was fine for Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island b/c that one relied heavily on well-designed platforming and had interesting puzzle and exploration. This game does not. (Killing yourself is almost impossible thanks to the wall jump. Don't forget the bubble system). The real problem I have with the 3 coin thing is that I like to run through levels. I play Mario like I play Sonic and when you add the coins I have to actively search through the big boringass level for it. Even the stages look tacky. Bowser castle has some walls that come in and out and it looks like some brown clay poor man 3d abomination. There was some Toad rescue mission. That was cool. And Yoshi has the flutter jump, but the game has too much shit in it. Like you can go back to the castle and it gives you hints. Hint movies? That doesn't sound like anything from the mario universe. This game is designed for the new generation of kids.

I do approve of the new air spin move that gives Mario a little more distance on his jumps. The butt stomp I am still debating over. The Wii tilting tech should have stayed the hell away from this game. It feels thrown in. Wonder how this game works with the classic controller..?

I already beat the game at a friends (read: beat the final level). The final boss is f---ing awesome, but it's too damn easy.
If only Nintendo had made that boss Contra3 final boss hard I'd forgive Nintendo for the shittiness it took to get to that boss. The final boss actually takes advantage of the panned out camera and makes the player actually feel like he will die.

What you can say is rehashed is the music. Too much "oohh you're playing a mario game let's throw in old tunes immediately" going on. Granted I listened to the soundtrack way ahead of playing it and I gotta say it sucks.

Another minor bit is that Nintendo absolutely should not have shown that Penguin Mario was available as a suit in the item menu box before you get the suit. I like the surprise of discovering new suits--this is a huge problem when it comes to having the will to ignore the press revealing every little detail about a game. And maybe I have ADD (I don't), but having to wait on the ill-chosen Mario Party themed next level blue circle to appear so I can begin the next stage takes way too long (like 4-5 seconds)--the other games had cool animations of the road forming or Mario walking into pipe at least. Lastly, the only time you should have been able to go bubble form is when you are returning from your death. So yea, if your friends will force themselves to play the game that way it's cool, but it should have never been there at all.  The platforming motto is: you f--- up that jump, you die.

edit: to be added later: thought that 4 player co-op slows down the level screen moving progress and that the propellor suit compliments that. Talk about co-op from Goemon Ganbare/Legend of the Mystical Ninja to use as a comparison.

vert1 Jun 22, 2010 (edited Jun 22, 2010)

Impressions on World 2:

~The Challenge and Screw-ups~
Things got a little better on actually designing stages to test players death aversion tactics. The 1st level is just an annoying stage, not hard, as it has stage elements that make you platform in a conservative (boring) way. I am fairly certain that the first sand geyser played Sonic style is a no-go, as the turtle conveniently collides with you no matter how fast you run and jump on the geyser. The 3 coin shit I have decided to not bother with--do I really get rewarded for collectathons?--this level keeps reinforcing to me that coins collected have little to do with skill or intelligence; the last coin on this level simply requires the boring propellor suit (or a "death jump"->bubble in multi) to get it. The Toad mission on the stage with Lakuta was satisfying; I don't know why Nintendo made them optional. Not pleased that Yoshi is a one stage only dinosaur now.

The amount of items I get from the Toads is getting annoying. I already have 34 lives and I don't replay stages after I beat them. Getting so many lives is cool if the game would get disgustingly hard and laugh as you dwindle all your lives away on a hard stage or boss--this happened to me as a kid playing DKL2 against that one wasp boss. The lives should seriously reset back to 3 after each stage is beaten or have some stock limit. Unfortunately Nintendo wants everyone to Forgotten Worlds game break challenge by allowing players to come back as long as someone else is still alive. More concerning than that is that I've encountered some sloppy hit detections that I would not expect from a Mario game; example 1: Mario jumps with a turtle shell out in front (facing right) of him and somehow gets hurt by a goomba coming in from the left w/out the goomba eating shell in the process; example 2: I shake the controller to pick up Toad and Mario does the spin motion, but Toad is not above my head--and down the geyser he went thereafter. Last annoyance deals with more time wasting Nintendo shenanigans that have players go through another door to enter the item room after entering the Toad house.

~Stage level discussion~
The boss level for the game was a poor use of forced scrolling. Why make a long passageway section and make me stand around waiting for the stage to make a "ding noise" that I've done it correctly? Does everything have to be so blatantly obvious in this game--I can't imagine how dumb people would have to be to use hint movies (in Donkey Kong: Jungle Beat the hint movies at least were for showing how to achieve a high score--something that is superfluous in this game) The motion controls to move stuff around in stages is still quite lame. The stage with the elevator lift and turtles really had potential to be a hardhitting hairs-on-end stuff if they have thrown in another wave of enemies to make dodging the turtles hard (like a hammer bros hammer arch). The lights out stage was very creepy and I much approve of a whole stage being like this (throw in that stalker Mario 2 enemy for max tension).

~Future~
World 3 has the Penguin Suit. The Penguin Suit belly sliding (Mario Sunshine ftw) is exactly how I've wanted to play this game from stage 1. With 4 players the fun of sliding around is compromised since everyone would wind up slowing down someone. The game doesn't really doesn't have anything new/fresh (better word may be distinct) about it; it feels like a hodgepodge of Mario games.


edited for noobs who play games:

ClivePwned wrote:

-NSMB Wii. Lack of a checkpoint in the world 2 castle. Yes, I suck but anyway, I said "f--- that shit!"

vert1 Sep 15, 2011

This game is really bad. I am bored playing it. Everytime you play a "throwback to the classics" level you are reminded of how much better that said classic was. At world 5 I have 60 lives and way too many items.

A video of a sloppy little occurrence that shouldn't be in a Mario game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbvUdrNEeBU

GoldfishX Sep 15, 2011

My problem with this game is it has the same unresponsive control as New SMB on the DS. As someone who still plays 3 and World religiously, it's hard to feel attached to the game because of that. Well, that and the wiggling parts.

So close, yet so far with this one.

Amazingu Sep 15, 2011

GoldfishX wrote:

My problem with this game is it has the same unresponsive control as New SMB on the DS. As someone who still plays 3 and World religiously, it's hard to feel attached to the game because of that. Well, that and the wiggling parts.

So close, yet so far with this one.

Yes, the controls for the NSMB series are awful.
I always knew that deep down, but when I played that Super Mario collection again recently it was really absolutely striking. The controls in the old games are so deliciously tight, the new games really pale in comparison.

That said, I still really enjoyed NSMB Wii, much much more than the DS game. Level design was much better I thought.

XLord007 Sep 16, 2011

I didn't have any problems with the controls in either of these, but I felt that the level designs in the DS one were a lot more fun than those in the Wii one.

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