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avatar! Dec 6, 2016

Terrible tragedy. Like others, I wonder what happened?
It's human nature to try and find someone "responsible" to "punish" for what happened. Although it may be that there is no one responsible. Of course a serious investigation is underway. At any rate, I read this

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/05/us/oaklan … index.html

and here is one terrifying statement:

"For filmmaker and photographer Bob Mulé...Mulé rushed to save his camera and laptop, he spotted a heavy-set artist who called out for help. "I broke my ankle. I need you to pull me out," a distraught Mulé recalled the artist saying. "The fire was just getting too hot and the smoke was just getting too bad and I had to leave him there."

I hope to never have to face such a situation. I can't help but wonder, what do you think you would have done? Would you have dropped everything to rush and save the heavy-set artist?

Zane Dec 6, 2016

I can't imagine what it would be like to run back into a burning building to collect my camera and laptop, but to leave someone behind to burn and/or asphyxiate to death. f--- the camera, and f--- the laptop - drop everything to try to help the dude as much as you can. People are worth so much more than things. Even if he couldn't be pulled out, at least Mulé could have (hopefully) escaped knowing he did everything he could to help out another human being, even if it was futile.

avatar! Dec 7, 2016

Zane wrote:

I can't imagine what it would be like to run back into a burning building to collect my camera and laptop, but to leave someone behind to burn and/or asphyxiate to death. f--- the camera, and f--- the laptop - drop everything to try to help the dude as much as you can. People are worth so much more than things. Even if he couldn't be pulled out, at least Mulé could have (hopefully) escaped knowing he did everything he could to help out another human being, even if it was futile.

I wasn't there, so I don't know the circumstances obviously, but what you said were my initial thoughts. Seems like people value monetary goods over most things. Again, I really don't know but I would like to think I would have done what I could to try and drag the guy out...

Ashley Winchester Dec 7, 2016

avatar! wrote:

I wasn't there, so I don't know the circumstances obviously, but what you said were my initial thoughts. Seems like people value monetary goods over most things. Again, I really don't know but I would like to think I would have done what I could to try and drag the guy out...

Curious question. Can you be charged for not helping in that circumstance? Like the circumstance in the second to last episode of Seinfeld - the Good Samaritan law? 

(On a side note I thought that series finale was kind of lame.)

avatar! Dec 8, 2016

Ashley Winchester wrote:
avatar! wrote:

I wasn't there, so I don't know the circumstances obviously, but what you said were my initial thoughts. Seems like people value monetary goods over most things. Again, I really don't know but I would like to think I would have done what I could to try and drag the guy out...

Curious question. Can you be charged for not helping in that circumstance? Like the circumstance in the second to last episode of Seinfeld - the Good Samaritan law? 

(On a side note I thought that series finale was kind of lame.)

My understanding is that the answer is basically "NO". I believe in general Samaritan laws are there as legal protection to people who aid others. So, if you pulled someone from a burning building and they later died, they family could try and sue you for whatever reason, but you should be protected under good Samaritan laws (depending on the state you live in).

Ashley Winchester Dec 9, 2016

avatar! wrote:

My understanding is that the answer is basically "NO". I believe in general Samaritan laws are there as legal protection to people who aid others. So, if you pulled someone from a burning building and they later died, they family could try and sue you for whatever reason, but you should be protected under good Samaritan laws (depending on the state you live in).

Oh okay, it doesn't work the way it did in the show. Uh, not saying that I took what happened in the show as legal prescient or anything.

vert1 Dec 10, 2016 (edited Dec 10, 2016)

I'm just imagining that one scene in The Equalizer but with Denzel dragging the guy. I don't think that the skinny guy had any prospects of getting the heavy-set artist out of the building.

Yotsuya Dec 10, 2016

It seems it wasn't a dilemma between the laptop and helping someone, just that it was getting too hot and dangerous and they both probably couldn't make it. From what I understand the whole place went up in under 5 minutes with a lot of smoke/darkness and a maze-like layout.

This was pretty shocking, I went to shows like this before I left the bay area and it was one the of the coolest things going on there in my opinion. I have seen several of the people who were playing that night and they are a talented group of djs and producers. From what I understand the place was in disrepair and not wanting to point fingers, I think the property owner is responsible although the party organizers chose the place.

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