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dream of a Metal Combat revival.
Purely out of curiosity, how would you envision this happening? There was a brief period in the early days of the Wii and the middle days of the PS3 where devs tried to do light gun games with the Wiimote and PS Move, but the lag on both of those devices quickly ended those ambitions. To this day, light gun games are one genre home consoles never got quite right, sadly.
I don't have anything specific in mind, and to be honest, I wouldn't mind if it shifted away from the light gun format. I wasn't really a big fan of the Super Scope; I just liked the Battle Clash universe, including the music.
When it comes to light gun games, my favorite which I always thought was in a class by itself is Elemental Gearbolt. What a work of art!
but the lag on both of those devices quickly ended those ambitions.
There is no lag when using IR Wiimote pointing. *goes back to playing PES Playmaker while online is still up*
Ashley Winchester wrote:3) If you think Microsoft reversed their decision out of the kindness of their own heart I believe you are sadly mistaken. As Goldfish stated they probably looked at their pre-orders, saw they were abysmal and said "oh freakin snap... we got to do something!" Money (making it, the lack of it), a LAWSUIT (losing it), PR (Puplic Relations and "charity") and the LAW are the only reason corporations do ANYTHING. Companies that aren't small don't have a collective since of consciousness.
I'm probably bit out of loop, but what lawsuit and law? (If this is even about the DRM-thing, which was probably more pressured by game companies, and not Microsoft itself).
When I was talking about the law and lawsuits, I was talking about businesses overall (sorry about bleeding those together) - not Microsoft unless you want to go into the whole anti-monopoly thing with Windows.
Since my stance on Nintendo apparently needs to be made clearer: I'm fine with, and supportive of, Nintendo's new endeavor. I don't see it as a threat to Nintendo's stake in the world of video gaming; their announcement does not infuriate me. I'm genuinely curious as to what ideas they bring to the world of health and fitness. I also really hope they find a way to make the Wii U Game Pad less of a ball and chain for games that don't require it, and dream of a Metal Combat revival.
Thank you! Something of substance that I can actually respond to.
Here is another problem I have and it's not necessarily aimed at Nintendo...I feel like majority of the entire health and fitness industry is a giant scam. Since everyone physically is different but wants something similar, companies try to lure people in with certain promises (lose weight, make your heart healthy, lose weight, cleanse the mind, lose weight, build muscle, tone your body and...lose weight) and that is how they make their money. I think gym owners count on people buying their memberships and then setting them on auto-renewal, because they know people are too lazy to cancel once they stop going within a month. I think it can work for Nintendo, financially, but more because the industry feeds off people's willingness to buy into fads (*cough* Atkins diet, Jared losing all that weight off Subway subs...heck, even the Wii Board). To me, the best thing to do is go outside and go for a walk and lay off the sodas.
And I totally agree with the Game Pad. Most of the time while I was playing Mario 3D World, I never used the controller view, other than a few touch sections. It's neat that the game is shown on the controller, but hardly necessary. At least the D-pad and buttons are high quality on it.
And for light gun games, I thought the NES did it fine, at least on older TV's. I used to beast on Hogan's Alley (was never a big Duck Hunt fan).
I'm all for Nintendo experimenting with making health technology fun. If it works out and makes lots of money, that's great. If not, onto the next experiment. I think the anger and resentment people have with Nintendo stems from the fact that Nintendo was the video game company of their childhood and so Nintendo must ALWAYS be THAT Nintendo in people's eyes. The dominant Nintendo. The synonym for playing video games Nintendo. The platform of choice of game developers the world over Nintendo. The system that all your friends had, and the only system worth having. Anything less is a letdown, a waste of potential. This article touches on some of that: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/2097 … rsonal.php
Anyway, times have changed. The video game industry is bigger than ever, and games exist in all shapes, sizes, and business models. Nintendo is just a small piece of the bigger picture now, and that's ok. If Nintendo no longer releases games that interest you, don't worry about Nintendo. Play the games you love and be happy. If there's no games you love, find a hobby you love and do that.
As for me, I'd like Nintendo to be more successful for completely selfish reasons: the company makes some of my favorite games, games that have influenced my particular slice of gaming culture, and I would like that culture to continue and thrive. I'll be saddened if it gets marginalized, but at the same time, no amount of failure from the Nintendo of today can take away the good times I've had with the company's products over the course of my life. Those memories will always be there.
I'm just going to quote you here because I agree with everything you said and any points you added seem to have been lost in a pissing match. 
Here is another problem I have and it's not necessarily aimed at Nintendo...I feel like majority of the entire health and fitness industry is a giant scam. Since everyone physically is different but wants something similar, companies try to lure people in with certain promises (lose weight, make your heart healthy, lose weight, cleanse the mind, lose weight, build muscle, tone your body and...lose weight) and that is how they make their money. I think gym owners count on people buying their memberships and then setting them on auto-renewal, because they know people are too lazy to cancel once they stop going within a month. I think it can work for Nintendo, financially, but more because the industry feeds off people's willingness to buy into fads (*cough* Atkins diet, Jared losing all that weight off Subway subs...heck, even the Wii Board). To me, the best thing to do is go outside and go for a walk and lay off the sodas.
Thank you! I wholeheartedly agree... I feel it is a giant scam as well, so when Nintendo buys into that stuff (a fad) you can see why my opinion of them goes south.
And I'm sorry, but Subway's advertising makes me angry as well. Subway is still fast food in my opinion... no amount of spin is going to change that view of mine. If you want to loose weight you shouldn't be eating out period.
You accuse me of being patronizing, then go on to insinuate that none of my previous posts had any substance?
There is unquestionably a lot of bunk in the fitness industry, but I don't think Nintendo's plans are to open gyms or faux health food chains. Fitness gadgetry is a blooming market, and I imagine that's where Nintendo sets its sights. Although I do wonder if they'll be able to hold their own against established brands (possibly including Apple in the future), I am pretty confident that they'll bring something new to the table. You could chalk up the wearable tech as a fad, but I don't necessarily believe it's junk, either. Friends and/or family members of mine have embraced fitness in recent years and used these gadgets as both a way to track their progress and a motivation to continue/maintain, and the changes in them are obvious. For those who aren't naturally inclined to live a healthy lifestyle, a little extra incentive/motivation isn't a bad thing. It's also great for people who can't necessarily see their progress ("I'm still fat," "I can't run far") to see that progress is being made ("but I have been steadily losing weight," "but I'm running a bit farther than I used to be able to").
I understand that the Wii U console the the game pad are supposedly to be a unified set, but thus far, it hasn't felt that way to me. I have yet to play a game where the game pad is required (and/or utilized in a way beyond being an alternative screen/input device), so all I typically get is two screens displaying the same thing. And despite me knowing that it's two screens displaying the same thing, I feel like I'm missing something when I'm looking at one and not the other, so I'm constantly glancing back and forth--unless I turn it off. When I do find a game that uses the screen as something more than a mirror, I worry about how distracting that will be. It's not like the DS line, where both screens are in within my line of sight--I'm constantly looking up and down, back and forth. It's distracting and disengaging. I've resorted to keeping the Game Pad out of range so that it doesn't automatically turn on, forcing me to manually turn it off again (and even then, I'm just turning off the screen). At the very least, I think Nintendo should update its software such that if the console is turned on by a Wii Remote or Pro Controller, the Game Pad is not turned on. That would make the process of turning on and playing a simple game much less cumbersome.
The Pro Controller's pretty decent, though my muscle memory for the SNES pad betrays me from time to time. Now that controllers can be connected to the console with a standard USB cable, I wonder if we'll see USB Wii U adapters for legacy controllers...
You accuse me of being patronizing, then go on to insinuate that none of my previous posts had any substance?
My main argument is this: that's very narrow-minded, and sorry to say, kind of silly.
They don't, when you admit your main argument concerns me and not the topic at hand (see, getting caught in your own contradictions is downright annoying, isn't it?) I'd much rather be discussing this...
The Pro Controller's pretty decent, though my muscle memory for the SNES pad betrays me from time to time. Now that controllers can be connected to the console with a standard USB cable, I wonder if we'll see USB Wii U adapters for legacy controllers...
See, I learned something...I didn't know the Pro Controllers were USB and it never occurred to me to try using the USB ports for controllers (I might need to try it with the Retro USB cables...I need to get one for my computer anyway). The Wii Classic Controller is something I greatly prefer to the SNES pad - I have mine loaded up with emulators. It must be the pad or something, it just feels more precise and just good overall. Nothing beats a classic NES pad that is broken in though.
You accuse me of being patronizing, then go on to insinuate that none of my previous posts had any substance?
No offense, but he's not the only one that feels that you've been patronizing and/or there was a lack of substance in your previous posts.
No offense, but he's not the only one that feels that you've been patronizing and/or there was a lack of substance in your previous posts.
Who could you be referring to?
I've had two people here take issue with being patronizing and passive-aggressive, yet neither seem to have any problem doling out the same. "Patronizing" I'll grant you; that wasn't the intent, but if it came across that way, it came across that way. I do not see how "takes issue with what others are (I am) saying" amounts to "lacks substance;" however, at this point I just have to let it go. I'm sure I'm not the only one who'd like to see the in-fighting cease in this thread.
To this day, light gun games are one genre home consoles never got quite right, sadly.
I thought that the PS2's Guncon 2 peripheral wasn't bad.
XLord007 wrote:but the lag on both of those devices quickly ended those ambitions.
There is no lag when using IR Wiimote pointing. *goes back to playing PES Playmaker while online is still up*
I don't know what Wiimotes you use, but there is a huge amount of lag with Wiimote IR pointing if you try to move the device with any degree of speed. Sure, it's fine if you move it nice and slow, but once you try to move it quickly, it struggles to match your motions. Light gun games tend to require near instantaneous shifts from one spot of the screen to another, and none of the ones I tried on Wii were able to keep up. In the arcade light gun games of old, you had this level of precision, but it's never been replicated at home.
XLord007 wrote:To this day, light gun games are one genre home consoles never got quite right, sadly.
I thought that the PS2's Guncon 2 peripheral wasn't bad.
Yeah, it was pretty good from what I remember. It's just that I was a pretty big fan of arcade light gun games back in the day, and there was always the dream of being able to have that same level of precision at home.
I don't know what Wiimotes you use, but there is a huge amount of lag with Wiimote IR pointing if you try to move the device with any degree of speed. Sure, it's fine if you move it nice and slow, but once you try to move it quickly, it struggles to match your motions. Light gun games tend to require near instantaneous shifts from one spot of the screen to another, and none of the ones I tried on Wii were able to keep up. In the arcade light gun games of old, you had this level of precision, but it's never been replicated at home.
Dunno what games you talk about. There are plenty odd games (e.g. Zelda SS, Fatal Frame 4 etc.) out there that use motion sensing (same what PS Move uses) to emulate a pointer. The advantage is that it doesn't rely on actual pointing (the IR needs to be pointed at the sensor bar) but that does add quite a lag. Wiimote IR pointing is instantaneous like using a mouse (actually I use a Wiimote as a mouse when presenting).
Dunno what games you talk about. There are plenty odd games (e.g. Zelda SS, Fatal Frame 4 etc.) out there that use motion sensing (same what PS Move uses) to emulate a pointer. The advantage is that it doesn't rely on actual pointing (the IR needs to be pointed at the sensor bar) but that does add quite a lag. Wiimote IR pointing is instantaneous like using a mouse (actually I use a Wiimote as a mouse when presenting).
I'm taking about Wii light gun games like Ghost Squad, Resident Evil Umbrella Chronicles, a minigame in Super Paper Mario, etc. They all use the IR pointer, and they all have noticeable lag. Maybe it works better on a PC for your presentations, but on Wii light gun games, it's nowhere near as responsive as it needs to be.
May also be due to video input lag on your TV. I don't do light gun games, but PES Playmaker is like a mouse driven RTS on console and a significant lag would be very annoying there. Guess I'll try doing a cheap slow mo recording of the pointer with the wiimote.
Nintendo to announce new hardware at E3? That's the rumor:
Nintendo cashing in on the yoga & healthy foods craze in America? Nintendo cashing in on the elderly population in Japan? (In the future people will say "Nintendo is for kids? NO. Nintendo is for OLD PEOPLE!") Perhaps Nintendo is cashing in on the low birth rates. Leave luck to birth rates.
New console should be called 'New Wii'. That way they can cash in on non-gamer people again. If the rumor is correct on it being a hybrid handheld/console, it cash in on east and west. The move is sketchy since it pushes Nintendo into the all-in-one shit model of their rivals (or non-rivals according to Nintendo). A hub for everything Nintendo.
New hardware? I thought Nintendo wanted to go "beyond games" man?
I don't believe for a single second that they'll announce a new game console.
The Wii U is doing poorly, yes, but the answer is not "let's just release another machine then" because that would be ridiculous.
The 3DS also still has plenty of life in it, so no, I don't think it'll be a completely new console.
But some new kind of peripheral doesn't seem far-fetched at all.
Something to do with that whole health-craze they've been going on about, yeah, I can see that happen.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/46 … -confirms/
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I don't believe for a single second that they'll announce a new game console.
The Wii U is doing poorly, yes, but the answer is not "let's just release another machine then" because that would be ridiculous.
The 3DS also still has plenty of life in it, so no, I don't think it'll be a completely new console.
Exactly. I was going to say this as well (before I decided to playfully jab Nintendo instead) but releasing a new system would be a gigantic middle finger to anyone who bought the WiiU to begin with. That would simply be a suicidal move akin to the whole "the Sega Saturn not the future of Sega" thing.
Exactly. I was going to say this as well (before I decided to playfully jab Nintendo instead) but releasing a new system would be a gigantic middle finger to anyone who bought the WiiU to begin with. That would simply be a suicidal move akin to the whole "the Sega Saturn not the future of Sega" thing.
A lot of people forget, Microsoft only gave the original Xbox about 4 years of shelf life before quickly moving on to the 360. And about 2 of those years, the only games worth playing were Halo and a number of upgraded PS2 ports. Nintendo is more akin to just leave their systems out to dry for awhile before replacing (see: final years of N64, GC and Wii). Wii U isn't quite on the Virtual Boy level of failure, which had less than a year of shelf life, so it's not going anywhere for awhile.
But who knows? We could be looking at something exciting, like a version of R.O.B. that clobbers you with a gyro whenever you eat junk food!
like a version of R.O.B. that clobbers you with a gyro whenever you eat junk food!
Do gyros not count as junk food? SWEET, that's totally what I'm getting for dinner. XD
...like a version of R.O.B. that clobbers you with a gyro whenever you eat junk food!
R.O.B. is going to have to beat out the talking heads in the government if he wants to do that...
Edit:
...cause they want to do that.
GoldfishX wrote:like a version of R.O.B. that clobbers you with a gyro whenever you eat junk food!
Do gyros not count as junk food? SWEET, that's totally what I'm getting for dinner. XD
Classic gag.