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Ashley Winchester Apr 16, 2014

I was reading a story about the artwork for the upcoming Smash Brothers game (unfortunately I can't remember where that article was hosted) and how it supposedly oversexualized Samus Aran when she fights in the Zero Suit.

Not to blindly buy into everything I read but... to be honest the article really did strike a cord with me as I've always kind of hated the damn Zero Suit.

Sorry, but that snug fitting suit always came off to me as rather pandering in a sexual way. I'm not saying Samus should never be seen outside of her power suit... but I can't help but wish it was something - I don't know.

Of course, most of this probably just has to do with the fact I'm a guy... but I don't think I ever really though about Samus having breasts until Metroid Zero Mission. Not that I think about that a lot or anything...

Also, am I the only one who didn't like Zero Mission? Everyone seems to rate this thing sky high but I'd only give it a 7 out of 10 at the most.

Amazingu Apr 16, 2014

Don't most fans hate the Zero Suit?
For pretty much the reasons you just described?
I know I do.

As for ZM, it's been too long since I last played it, but I do seem to recall quite liking it, better than most Metroid games in fact.
I'd have to revisit it to make sure though.

Ashley Winchester Apr 16, 2014

Amazingu wrote:

Don't most fans hate the Zero Suit?
For pretty much the reasons you just described?
I know I do.

To be honest I'm not really sure what people's overall opinions of it are...

However, if there was a negative opinion of it I'd think it would have been drowned out by all the complaints over Other M by this point.

Most of the mud I see slinged at the series is aimed at that game anymore which is understandable and unfortunate.

absuplendous Apr 16, 2014

Every time I raise the issue of Samus' sexualization, I'm reminded of how it's been a part of the series from the first title, with her bikini reveals at the game's end. That may be true (though I'd argue that with the NES's limitations, that was the most effective way to communicate that Samus is a woman at the time), but I don't think that's what got most people into Metroid games, or even vested in her character (beyond initial titillation, something I imagine is pretty much nonexistent for players who learn it for the first time nowadays). At the very least, Metroid, Return of Samus, Super Metroid, Fusion, and Samus herself weren't sold to me on the promise that there's a supermodel under the suit.

The debut of the Zero Suit kind of bothered me, for although it is indeed a practical garment to wear when within mechanical armor, I got the distinct impression that that wasn't why it was designed. It felt like a cheap way to generate interest in the franchise, and it bothered me that Metroid had to resort to that. It also felt like an indignity toward Samus herself--that they decided they couldn't sell the character on her bravery and prowess anymore. I also felt like it took away some of the mystique surrounding Samus, like any other costumed superhero. I did like the "her entire arsenal's been taken away from her, but she can still hold her own" scenario, though, even if did seem to merely be riffing off the stealth game craze of the time.

Today, I'm over the Zero Suit itself, but take issue with Samus's physical portrayal. It seems like with each new iteration, she gets younger and younger, and looks more and more like a swimsuit model. I have nothing against swimsuit models, nor am I saying that swimsuit models can't also be physically capable--but we're talking about a galactic bounty hunter here, who earns her keep strong-arming her way through labyrinthine hostile environments and going toe-to-toe with deadly beasts. I'd expect to see a little more muscle on her. "Because Chozo blood" doesn't cut it.

Ashley Winchester Apr 16, 2014 (edited Apr 16, 2014)

absuplendous wrote:

Every time I raise the issue of Samus' sexualization, I'm reminded of how it's been a part of the series from the first title, with her bikini reveals at the game's end. That may be true (though I'd argue that with the NES's limitations, that was the most effective way to communicate that Samus is a woman at the time), but I don't think that's what got most people into Metroid games, or even vested in her character (beyond initial titillation, something I imagine is pretty much nonexistent for players who learn it for the first time nowadays). At the very least, Metroid, Return of Samus, Super Metroid, Fusion, and Samus herself weren't sold to me on the promise that there's a supermodel under the suit.

1000 times this. I personally don't consider the bikini reveals to be very big moments of sexualization since they account for like .0001 percent of the game. On the NES I agree it was probably the easiest way to indicate that she was a woman.

absuplendous wrote:

Today, I'm over the Zero Suit itself, but take issue with Samus's physical portrayal. It seems like with each new iteration, she gets younger and younger, and looks more and more like a swimsuit model. I have nothing against swimsuit models, nor am I saying that swimsuit models can't also be physically capable--but we're talking about a galactic bounty hunter here, who earns her keep strong-arming her way through labyrinthine hostile environments and going toe-to-toe with deadly beasts. I'd expect to see a little more muscle on her. "Because Chozo blood" doesn't cut it.

I have a near-mint copy of the Super Metroid Players Guide and the double page picture of Samus (part suit/part out of suit) lists her being 6'3" and weighing 198lbs. I don't get the swimsuit look from this game's artwork as I do from later games... she looks pretty buff here.

Curious though... does any other Metroid memorabilia really have hardcore stats like this? I don't really recall and I'm closing in on having most of guides and stuff.

absuplendous Apr 16, 2014

I have that same guide, and that is the image that comes to mind when I think "Samus Aran." It's a little disappointing that my mental image of Samus is so disparate from her current incarnation, but now that Samus and Zero Suit Samus are totally separate characters in the latest Smash Bros, I can pretend that the one in the Power Suit is her earlier incarnation, kind of like Link and Toon Link.

Amazingu Apr 17, 2014

Ashley Winchester wrote:

However, if there was a negative opinion of it I'd think it would have been drowned out by all the complaints over Other M by this point.

Haha, true dat.

Perhaps that was Nintendo's plan all along...

XLord007 Apr 20, 2014

Ashley Winchester wrote:

Also, am I the only one who didn't like Zero Mission? Everyone seems to rate this thing sky high but I'd only give it a 7 out of 10 at the most.

I think it's a good game overall, but I feel that the parts they added after the NES original would have ended were pretty terrible. It starts out as a very good remake of the original NES game, but once you beat Mother Brain it just gets bad, IMO. The stealth sections don't work well, and new last boss isn't interesting, necessary, or fun.

Ashley Winchester Apr 20, 2014

XLord007 wrote:

I think it's a good game overall, but I feel that the parts they added after the NES original would have ended were pretty terrible. It starts out as a very good remake of the original NES game, but once you beat Mother Brain it just gets bad, IMO. The stealth sections don't work well, and new last boss isn't interesting, necessary, or fun.

You pretty much hit the nail on the head here... I thought the new climax was the weakest part of the game.

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