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Wanderer Jun 5, 2009

Blue Dragon, Lost Odyssey, and Lord of Vermilion all ranged from mediocre to dreadful as far as I'm concerned.  (Lost Odyssey starts promising but can't keep it up through the second disc.)  I'll admit that I've listened through each only once so far but they were so bland and uninspiring from the beginning that I couldn't convince myself to waste any more time on them.

I actually like Lost Odyssey (to a certain extent. It does have some filler, a late Uematsu weakness) but I agree with you that Blue Dragon is mediocre. I couldn't make it past the first track of Lord of Vermilion.

Arcubalis Jun 5, 2009

Nice, didn't even know the DER blog mentioned Uematsu would be doing all the music.

If you're not convinced, there's another source.  Patrick Gann talked to a staff member from the FFXIV team who confirmed one again that Uematsu is scoring the entire game:

http://www.originalsoundversion.com/?p=3122

I still think it's likely to change over time.  Especially with updates.  But as it stands right now, he's the only composer working on the title.

Ashley Winchester Jun 6, 2009

Zealboy wrote:

Nakano... His written perhaps 4 of 5 songs over his entire career I care anything for.  All of them come from Dewprism.

I'm curious as to which tracks you're refering to on Dew Prism. I'm not a big fan of Nakano/Dew Prism either, but there are a handful of tunes I do like from it. Same goes for his work on FFX.

Zane Jun 6, 2009

<3 Blue Dragon OST.

<3 Sakimoto.

<3 Hamauzu.

<3 Nakano.

Hell, I'll even throw in a <3 Uematsu at this point.

SQU/\REHE/\D Jun 8, 2009 (edited Jun 8, 2009)

Arcubalis wrote:

Nice, didn't even know the DER blog mentioned Uematsu would be doing all the music.

If you're not convinced, there's another source.  Patrick Gann talked to a staff member from the FFXIV team who confirmed one again that Uematsu is scoring the entire game:

http://www.originalsoundversion.com/?p=3122

I still think it's likely to change over time.  Especially with updates.  But as it stands right now, he's the only composer working on the title.

Yeah, I read that on IGN as well.  It's confirmed. smile


FFXVI Q & A Session with team
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/991/991483p1.html


"Uematsu only did a few tracks in FFXI, how much is he doing for XIV?"

"Square Enix revealed to IGN that Uematsu will be doing ALL the music for Final Fantasy XIV and that it will be composed in a range of different styles and genres."

Grassie Jun 8, 2009

I hope he'll be granted some help with arrangement and perhaps some live instrumentation this time.

Amazingu Jun 8, 2009

Grassie wrote:

I hope he'll be granted some help with arrangement and perhaps some live instrumentation this time.

I don't think Uematsu is in particular need of help arrangeing, and Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey featured plenty of live instrumentation, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Cedille Jun 8, 2009 (edited Jun 8, 2009)

Arcubalis wrote:

I still think it's likely to change over time.  Especially with updates.  But as it stands right now, he's the only composer working on the title.

Yeah, that's why I've been concerned even since hearing their Qs and As. If FFXIV successfully becomes a long-running game like FFXI, they will release some expansions - but will Uematsu still remains a solo composer? If not, why doesn't he hire another composer from the beginning? No more Mizuta, though.

Amazingu wrote:

I don't think Uematsu is in particular need of help arrangeing, and Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey featured plenty of live instrumentation, so I wouldn't worry about that too much.

Uematsu literally always needs helps when he score a game on post-SNES consoles, because he just makes sketchy MIDI sequence data (the recent issue of DTM magazine reveals he only uses piano/electronic piano patches and avoids anything else because he thinks it would narrow down the potential of the sketched track) and it's Kawamori, or Narita who arranges it. Or Nakayama, Hamaguchi and Toyama when orchestrated. I don't think it's an uncommon story as, regardless of whether it's true or not, I've sometimes heard that some of the equally eminent composers like Yoko Kanno or Hollywood film guys are merely responsible for submitting chord progressions but eventually get the credits and acclaims for everything other people do.

The working style of Uematsu holds both strength and weakness, methinks. Without talents like Shiro Hamaguchi or Masashi Hamauzu (who assisted in chorus performance of FF VIII and XI, not to mention his own singing in VII), it can result in just a waste of the budget. For instance, although I know not a few people like it, I think "Releasing Seal" from Blue Dragon could have been a masterpiece instead of being garbage as it is now, with a better performance and lyric (Hamauzu, how about saving "The Unsung War" - the track I also think suffers from the terrible chorus performance?).

In short, I do think Uematsu needs a better help.

Kaleb.G Jun 8, 2009

I wonder if FF14 will really be 100% Uematsu by the time the game ships. It seems that lot of games lately have been slipping in extra composers during development. FF12 had other composers supplementing Sakimoto's work. Actually, pretty much anything that is said to be composed by Sakimoto these days is really worked on by Basiscape as a whole. I've heard that Chrono Trigger was supposed to be Mitsuda's solo work, but Uematsu had to help out with extra music. Also, when it comes time for FF14 to have expansions, you can bet that Uematsu won't be doing all of those.

SQU/\REHE/\D Jun 8, 2009

Kaleb.G wrote:

I wonder if FF14 will really be 100% Uematsu by the time the game ships. It seems that lot of games lately have been slipping in extra composers during development. FF12 had other composers supplementing Sakimoto's work. Actually, pretty much anything that is said to be composed by Sakimoto these days is really worked on by Basiscape as a whole. I've heard that Chrono Trigger was supposed to be Mitsuda's solo work, but Uematsu had to help out with extra music. Also, when it comes time for FF14 to have expansions, you can bet that Uematsu won't be doing all of those.

I think Chrono Trigger is a bad example, Nobuo only did a handful of tracks. (I beleive only 9 out of the 64)  We will see, Nobuo did all the work for Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey games recently.    Whether Nobuo will do expansion packs to Final Fantasy XVI, that is the question.

Angela Jun 17, 2010

So, in addition to being featured in the latest E3 2010 trailer, the new arrangement of the "Final Fantasy" theme also plays on the official site's splash intro.  I believe a recording is in order.  Six minute-looped for your pleasure:

Final Fantasy XIV - "Final Fantasy":
http://www.mediafire.com/?wohnowwyymo

Tooku shizuka na hoshizora kara, afureru inochi no uta ga kikoeru.

draco9567 Jun 17, 2010 (edited Jun 17, 2010)

I'm more worried about Sakimoto and Hamauzu. The thing I liked about Uematsu was that he was creative in his music. I  loved what Sakimoto and Hamazu have done so far, but I'm worried about whether they will keep repeating the same stuff over and over again. All in all though, they are excellent composers.

yuzoboy Jul 25, 2010

I Think Uematsu's score for Final Fantasy XIV will bring back the traditional themes taken away in Final Fantasy XIII, which is a step in the right direction for the series. However, judging from the alpha release of the OST, none of the tracks other than the battle theme have grown on me yet, the style is different from his previous Final Fantasy work that I couldnt recognize it as his music.

Zealboy Jul 25, 2010 (edited Jul 25, 2010)

The alpha tracks are extremely disappointing to me.  Currently FF14 is one of my least favorite Uematsu works of all time.

Pedrith Jul 29, 2010

Sorry, but what the heck is an alpha track and where are you finding them?

David

Qui-Gon Joe Jul 29, 2010

Pedrith wrote:

Sorry, but what the heck is an alpha track and where are you finding them?

I believe the "alpha" is the current version of the game that's out there for testing, if I'm not mistaken.  But... didn't the beta tests start by now (do I really know if I'm using those terms correctly?  Jury's still out!)?

Anyway, would also love to know where they're being found, because I went searching after reading that post and didn't come away with anything but a rip of the FF theme from the website.

Cedille Jul 30, 2010

Zealboy wrote:

The alpha tracks are extremely disappointing to me.  Currently FF14 is one of my least favorite Uematsu works of all time.

Even worse than Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey? I've not given the rip a proper listen partially because of my low expectation, but I can easily imagine the soundtrack will significantly grow on me once I play the game (which I should avoid at any cost).

That being said, I don't pretend I've not seen lots of complaints with the soundtrack. Most of them are regarding the rock tracks being generic, bland, cheesy, loud and out of the place.

Boco Jul 30, 2010

FFXIV is officially in closed beta testing and will be released on September 22nd.

Personally, I was really pleased with the alpha rip. It features a nice assortment of rock, orchestral and synthetic tracks. The quality is high and it sounds like Uematsu. Easily better than Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey. I even liked it better than FFXIII's soundtrack. Then again, I've always preferred Uematsu to Hamauzu.

There are some throwaway tracks in the rip. Namely a couple of bland ambient / event pieces. They don't hurt the experience too much though. In the end, I'd give the alpha rip a solid 4/5. Not perfect, but very good and enjoyable.

Cedille Jul 30, 2010 (edited Jul 31, 2010)

Back on the topic, it appears two albums which I assume are 'previews' will be released on Sep.

yuzoboy Jul 30, 2010

Both Youtube and Torrents have the Aplha release of the soundtrack if you want to give it a liste. I do beleive that when I do play the game, the OST will rgow on you so ill wait before I criticise it further.

Zealboy Jul 30, 2010 (edited Jul 30, 2010)

Cedille wrote:
Zealboy wrote:

The alpha tracks are extremely disappointing to me.  Currently FF14 is one of my least favorite Uematsu works of all time.

Even worse than Blue Dragon or Lost Odyssey? I've not given the rip a proper listen partially because of my low expectation, but I can easily imagine the soundtrack will significantly grow on me once I play the game (which I should avoid at any cost).

That being said, I don't pretend I've not seen lots of complaints with the soundtrack. Most of them are regarding the rock tracks being generic, bland, cheesy, loud and out of the place.

Yes, as bland and generic as Blue Dragon's OST is, my first few listens place FFXIV's music to be at least as bland.... and in some cases awkward sounding, which I can't really explain.  I agree completely with the complaint on the rock tracks.
I actually liked about 25% of Lost Odyssey's OST.  That's way more than I can say for FFXIV.
Perhaps playing FFXIV will increase my appreciation for the music.  I will end up giving it a shot considering I was addicted to FFXI for years and years.

FFXI may also be hurting my judgment of the FFXIV soundtrack just a teeny bit.  I really like what Mizuta ended up creating for FFXI.  I wouldn't call the XI OSTs masterpieces, but they worked really well in game.  The tracks were not obnoxious and in your face, nor were they completely bland and unnoticeable.  A lot of the XI music worked for me outside of game as well, both before and after I was familiar with where the tracks were played.
Upon first hearing the FFXIV tracks I thought "wow, these are not very good", "this will get annoying in game really fast" for most battle tracks, and "...boring" for most non-battle tracks.  I ended up thinking "This is sure no FFXI.  I'd like Mizuta back".

yuzoboy Jul 31, 2010

actually, now that I go through the entire OST properly, I am beginning to see how "Nobuo" the music is and im appreciating the music more. I had this exact same feeling when I first heard the FFX OST.

Qui-Gon Joe Jul 31, 2010

Angela wrote:

Yeah, fine:

Thanks!!! Downloaded, but I haven't had a chance to give it a proper listen yet.

Based on all the hate I'm seeing in this thread for Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, I wonder if I'll have to listen to this music in-game to really appreciate it.  I like both of those OSTs a lot, but I also played through the games before really listening to them much.

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