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The_Paladin Dec 15, 2016

So, Book Off blocked my usual proxy bidding service (SMJ) from bidding; does anyone have a different proxy that will get around that?

Rrolack Dec 15, 2016

I use FromJapan; never had a problem bidding on and winning Book Off auctions.

LuxKiller65 Dec 16, 2016 (edited Dec 16, 2016)

Pfff crazy... I tried 3 different proxy agents, and some sellers have them ALL blocked. I miss auctions regularly because of this. What can I say-- makes me sad.

will try fromjapan, thanks!

Edit: 15 minutes of browsing their site and still no idea what their fee is. Mind sharing your experience ? smile

Rrolack Dec 16, 2016 (edited Dec 16, 2016)

LuxKiller65 wrote:

Edit: 15 minutes of browsing their site and still no idea what their fee is. Mind sharing your experience ? smile

As far as I can tell, I'm paying:

A 300 yen commission on every purchase, whether the item is from YJA or from a store.
A 200 yen "bank transfer fee" on YJA auctions.  If you buy something from a store, you won't pay this.
The seller's domestic shipping fee (this varies by auction).
After I have a bunch of items I want sent to me, it's a single 500 yen charge to consolidate all of the items.
Overseas shipping by whatever method I choose (at least EMS, SAL and FedEx are available).


Before I started with FromJapan, I'd been using Buyee as my proxy, and that seemed more expensive.

Ramza Dec 17, 2016

Give it a few months and Book-Off will block FromJapan as well. Those a-holes have been blocking middleman/proxy buyers for a few years now. Makes me extremely angry.

IN THE MEANTIME, however, I'm going to set up with FromJapan so I can get some items for cheap(er)

The_Paladin Dec 17, 2016

I could have avoided the whole thing, but I've noticed this many times on ebay... many Japanese sellers think they can overinflate the price on ebay over yahoo and if they include "make an offer" it actually isn't a negotiable price.  I have watched the item not sell for under 1000 yen and be relisted on yahoo meanwhile someone has multiple copies listed on ebay for over $100 and wouldn't take an offer of $35 (not including shipping).

I haven't pulled the trigger with FromJapan yet since I think it'll be more expensive of a service to use (mostly out of shipping) but it is probably the only option so I'll crack to be able to buy off of bookoff.

Rrolack Dec 18, 2016

It's concerning to hear that Book Off has blocked other proxies.  I'm not sure why FromJapan has remained in the clear, but hopefully it stays that way.


Here's an interesting story about sellers and proxies.  I once saw an interesting album on YJA, but the description said proxy bidders were not allowed.  I placed a bid anyway, which was strong enough to win the auction.

A day after winning, I was notified that my bid was cancelled by the seller.  In fact, the seller cancelled all bids, and relisted the item with stronger language about proxy bidders.  The item then sold again...  for 15% less than my winning bid.  This was an expensive album, so the 15% was pretty significant (around 5000 yen).


The question implied by my story is: why would sellers want to block proxy bidders?  If anything, proxy bidders should help get sellers a higher price.  And if they win, they're less likely to complain about the goods than a direct buyer (since the proxy has no real incentive to complain on your behalf).

Jodo Kast Dec 18, 2016

I remember hearing from way back that some collectors in Japan want all the game music albums to stay in the country.

The_Paladin Dec 18, 2016

Considering bookoff is a business and shouldn't care who buys (and certainly had no qualms with me buying tons of stuff from them in person), it's still a bit puzzling.  I could see individuals not wanting to deal with proxies for whatever reason, but perhaps the proxies are not good to deal with for some reason we don't see.

Ramza Dec 19, 2016

I don't see it being a problem anymore (because I don't see them anymore...) ... but maybe they didn't want proxy bidders because ... not US collectors, but because a Taiwanese bootlegger could get a master copy then to pirate.

Again ... that's not really happening anymore though, is it?

Ashley Winchester Dec 19, 2016 (edited Dec 19, 2016)

Ramza wrote:

I don't see it being a problem anymore (because I don't see them anymore...) ... but maybe they didn't want proxy bidders because ... not US collectors, but because a Taiwanese bootlegger could get a master copy then to pirate.

Again ... that's not really happening anymore though, is it?

Eh, this may be a dumb question, but I thought bootleggers went after cheaper but much more popular releases than rare, OOP ones; the idea being that you'd make up the difference in sheer numbers. For example, you'd probably rake in more money bootlegging something like Xenogears than something obscure.

Edit:

Also, wouldn't those looking for a more obscure release tend to be more educated in an item's official/unofficial nature? Not saying every time but if I'm looking for a $300 release I'd definitely do my research on it and be wary of really low prices.

XISMZERO Dec 19, 2016

f--- Book-Off.

And the markup on items in their NYC store is laughably ridiculous. End of Evangelion for $90? Resident Evil double pack on GCN for over $200? Plus, they've been buying up tons of VGM (or receiving it from poor saps in Japan) and now they've littered YJA with stuff in doubles and triples. Don't want to sell to international sellers? Fine. We will find a way and good Japanese sellers will do it for us. Go. f---. Yourself. Book-Off.

The_Paladin Dec 19, 2016

I'd say the Taiwanese bootleggers were all over popular releases in the '95-'05 range (broadly without checking) which has greatly diminished now.  I'd say now you see more bootlegs from Americans like the unlicensed vinyls from (I believe) Nintendo Age forums, seen here.

Ashley Winchester Dec 19, 2016

The_Paladin wrote:

I'd say the Taiwanese bootleggers were all over popular releases in the '95-'05 range (broadly without checking) which has greatly diminished now.  I'd say now you see more bootlegs from Americans like the unlicensed vinyls from (I believe) Nintendo Age forums, seen here.

I'm familiar with the Moonshake bootlegs, the CV one especially, but I didn't know there was a Pokemon and Mega Man one.

That said, I can't believe how much people ask for the Zelda one, cripes.

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