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Zane Jan 16, 2007

Harry wrote:

All we can do is judge from experience.

Chris.Tilton wrote:

Based on my 5 1/2 years experience in writing, recording and mixing live orchestra music...

It's gettin' hot in hurrrr...

TerraEpon Jan 17, 2007

Chris makes sense. You don't.

He's right, especially about the time issue -- I haven't played the new Zelda either, but older games tended to have lots of quite short pieces of music. I can't imagine something like "Shop" from OOT would take more than a few minutes to record.

Or how about stuff that lasts all of three seconds, like the get item fanfare? Etc etc.

-Joshua

Wanderer Jan 17, 2007

There are a LOT of short pieces in TP... and there's also a lot of pieces that wouldn't use the full orchestra. Some of them might not even use the orchestra at all (like the ambient dungeon pieces).

Harry Jan 17, 2007

TerraEpon wrote:

Chris makes sense. You don't.

I find that rather baseless.

But he would have a better idea of what kind of music is the game, since he has played it. My estimations were only based if all the tracks used a full orchestra (which, if so, would most likely come near to my thoughts). I could make a better judgement if I heard more than 5 themes from the game.

Also, to clear up, that $8,000 - $10,000 fee for recording in some of Australia's (and the world) top studios was in AUD. When converted to USD, it works out to around $6,000 anyway.

Kenology Jan 18, 2007

We all know Chris has lots of experience in this field.  But let's stop ganging up on Harry guys.

Arcubalis Jan 18, 2007 (edited Jan 18, 2007)

Shut up.  You're dumb too, Kenology. 

Just kidding.  smile

Edit:  Hm... would help if I spelled your name right!

Wanderer Jan 19, 2007

^

It's hard to say how complete this is. It seems to combine a partial game rip with the rips of the streamed files from the game disc.

And I STILL don't see the Ordon Village piece... unless I'm missing it.

Kenology Jan 19, 2007 (edited Jan 19, 2007)

Yeah, and some of the interactive elements are missing as well.  The Beast Ganondorf battle is missing that "Ganondorf's Theme" interlude when he disappears into the portals.  A few other omissions I've noticed too, but this is the best we have up until now, and ultimately, until a full official release is announced.


EDIT:  It's also missing the Ganondorf sword fight (unless I'm overlooking it).  How the hell do you leave *that* out?

EDIT 2:  Nevermind, found it.

Zane Jan 19, 2007

Jon Turner wrote:

Wow, if Nintendo actually DOES release a full OST, they're going to have to spread this on three discs...

No way, man. They'll try to cram it all on two discs, tops, especially if all of the other Zelda OSTs are any indication.

Kenology Jan 19, 2007

Zane wrote:
Jon Turner wrote:

Wow, if Nintendo actually DOES release a full OST, they're going to have to spread this on three discs...

No way, man. They'll try to cram it all on two discs, tops, especially if all of the other Zelda OSTs are any indication.

Even though they crammed them all, they still found a way to fit each and every track in the game on the disks.  Wind Waker barely fit on two disks.  So the only way they can include this much music is to spread it across (or cram it into) three discs.

Has Nintendo ever even issued an OST over two discs (Fire Emblem OST's don't count)?

Jon Turner Jan 19, 2007

Kenology wrote:
Zane wrote:
Jon Turner wrote:

Wow, if Nintendo actually DOES release a full OST, they're going to have to spread this on three discs...

No way, man. They'll try to cram it all on two discs, tops, especially if all of the other Zelda OSTs are any indication.

Even though they crammed them all, they still found a way to fit each and every track in the game on the disks.  Wind Waker barely fit on two disks.  So the only way they can include this much music is to spread it across (or cram it into) three discs.

Has Nintendo ever even issued an OST over two discs (Fire Emblem OST's don't count)?

Probably not, but there are always first times.  smile

-Jon T.

raynebc Jan 19, 2007

3 discs doesn't impress me, look at the Okami soundtrack for crying out loud.  Nintendo should take notes.

XLord007 Jan 19, 2007

Jon Turner wrote:

Wow, if Nintendo actually DOES release a full OST, they're going to have to spread this on three discs... if, of course, they ever do decide to.  (C'mon, Nintendo.  We're waiting!)

-Jon T.

I wonder if they'll even bother now.  I don't think the game did very well in Japan despite big success in the rest of the world.

Jon Turner Jan 20, 2007 (edited Jan 20, 2007)

XLord007 wrote:
Jon Turner wrote:

Wow, if Nintendo actually DOES release a full OST, they're going to have to spread this on three discs... if, of course, they ever do decide to.  (C'mon, Nintendo.  We're waiting!)

-Jon T.

I wonder if they'll even bother now.  I don't think the game did very well in Japan despite big success in the rest of the world.

Well, 357,000 may not exactly be an impressive number compared to WII SPORTS or WII PLAY, but that's hardly a failure.  And like I've said there have been many occasions when games haven't exactly been big hits but received soundtrack treatments anyway.

Case in point:  METROID PRIME sold over one million units in the rest of the world but barely cracked the 100,000 mark in Japan; yet it still received a soundtrack album.  Likewise, F-ZERO GX failed to zoom past the 300,000 mark in both regions and it still got a soundtrack album.  WAVE RACE 64 fared poorly in Japan and still received an album.  I don't even think the newest Sonic game on the PS3 or X360 was all that popular on either side of the Pacific and it still got an album.

All I'm saying is, don't give up just yet.  Rips are good to have for a while, but the real thing will come when and if it's announced.

-Jon T.

EDIT:  Interestingly, Koji Kondo has stated that he will be attending this March's Game Developer's Conference in LA.  I don't know if this means we'll get any confirmation over when or if an official full OST for TP will be made, but it'll be interesting to see nonetheless.

Shoebonics Jan 21, 2007 (edited Jan 21, 2007)

I admit that I haven't heard most of TP's music yet (yeah I know a lot of people are already done with the game five times over) but even just hearing the File Select song (sounds EXACTLY like it did back in 1998 for cryin' out loud) doesn't fill me with the greatest confidences.

Of course this game did poorly in Japan, most consumers there are smart enough to recognize a prettied-up rehash of OoT when they see one.
Nintendo has more money than god, they should be ashamed of themselves.
Or maybe I'm Just a Jaded Lion..
nope I ain't lyin'

Jon Turner Jan 21, 2007

Well the game may not be among the Top 10, but it's not doing that badly.  Compared to many other titles (PS3 games in particular), it's holding its own.  It's shown consistent prescence (albeit on the lower end) on the Top 20.  So Twilight Princess is hardly a failure in Japan, and as sales of the Wii continue, so too will this game.  It may not reach the million mark immediately, but it may get close to that eventually.

And I'm not going to give up hope that there WILL be an official OST.

-Jon T.

Crash Jan 21, 2007

I seem to recall that when Falcom re-released Xanadu for the PC, they said that the original was the #1 selling computer game of all time in Japan, and it sold well under a million copies (my memory's a little hazy; I think it was either 480,000 or 800,000 copies).  I guess that a game has to be insanely popular to sell a million copies in Japan.

Jon Turner Jan 21, 2007

Crash wrote:

I seem to recall that when Falcom re-released Xanadu for the PC, they said that the original was the #1 selling computer game of all time in Japan, and it sold well under a million copies (my memory's a little hazy; I think it was either 480,000 or 800,000 copies).  I guess that a game has to be insanely popular to sell a million copies in Japan.

Which raises the question--does EVERY game have to sell a million to be considered a hit?  As mentioned previously, 350,000 is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a console which is only a month and a half old with a 1.2 million userbase.  Remember that when ZELDA came out for N64 and GC, the userbase for both consoles was much, much larger at the time, and so it was guaranteed that it would be a hit at the starting gates.  Wii, on the other hand, has just gotten started.  Had Nintendo released this game a little later into the console's lifespan (probably during the summer) instead of alongside surefire crowdpleasers such as WII PLAY and WII SPORTS, ZELDA TP probably would have sold much, much more.  Nonetheless, its reception in Japan is nothing to call foul over.  It's the third best-selling Wii game there, and its sales won't stay at 350,000 forever.  Will it topple OCARINA in Japan?  Probably not, even though it very much deserves to.  But at least its still selling, and will continue to do so as the Wii's userbase expands.  Whether it reaches the million mark is another matter, but for now, I think we should just keep on checking the Soundtrack Future Release charts for any sign of a ZELDA TP OST.  When (or IF) it is finally announced, fears over the game's sales affecting a potential album release will be put to rest.

-Jon T.

PeteV Jan 21, 2007

Crash wrote:

I seem to recall that when Falcom re-released Xanadu for the PC, they said that the original was the #1 selling computer game of all time in Japan, and it sold well under a million copies (my memory's a little hazy; I think it was either 480,000 or 800,000 copies).  I guess that a game has to be insanely popular to sell a million copies in Japan.

It sold about 400,000 copies.  The Japanese PC market is a lot smaller than the console market; Ys VI sold about 120,000 copies and that was considered quite good for a PC game.  Million sellers are pretty rare for console games today (except Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest).  There are quite a few million sellers for the DS though.

avatar! Jan 21, 2007

PeteV wrote:
Crash wrote:

I seem to recall that when Falcom re-released Xanadu for the PC, they said that the original was the #1 selling computer game of all time in Japan, and it sold well under a million copies (my memory's a little hazy; I think it was either 480,000 or 800,000 copies).  I guess that a game has to be insanely popular to sell a million copies in Japan.

It sold about 400,000 copies.  The Japanese PC market is a lot smaller than the console market; Ys VI sold about 120,000 copies and that was considered quite good for a PC game.  Million sellers are pretty rare for console games today (except Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest).  There are quite a few million sellers for the DS though.

Interesting... I'd be interested if anyone has statistics on how many games the Japanese purchase, as compared to Americans and/or the rest of the world. My impression was that the Japanese purchase much more (per capita) than any other country. However, since they have such a large selection of video games, they may not have that many million sellers. Is that correct?

cheers,

-avatar!

raynebc Jan 21, 2007

Jon Turner wrote:

As mentioned previously, 350,000 is nothing to sneeze at, especially for a console which is only a month and a half old with a 1.2 million userbase.  Remember that when ZELDA came out for N64 and GC, the userbase for both consoles was much, much larger at the time, and so it was guaranteed that it would be a hit at the starting gates.  Wii, on the other hand, has just gotten started.

That's just it exactly.  If the Wii was available to buy, I'd buy T.P. immediately.  My friend is one of the unusual cases, he bought the game immediately even though the console wasn't available to buy.

Shoebonics Jan 21, 2007

Jon Turner wrote:

And I'm not going to give up hope that there WILL be an official ost.

Yeah eventually, back when you did the soundtracks for re Zero and rebirth, things were looking unlikely for a Suleputer release.
I guess I should never count the chickens until they hatch. I still love the dialogue interludes you did that weren't in the official release.
( :

Shoebonics Jan 21, 2007

Jon Turner wrote:

Wow, if Nintendo actually DOES release a full OST, they're going to have to spread this on three discs...

That reminds me of the time I got really drunk and spread peanut butter on some of my cds.
Then I tried to eat them. It wasn't pretty.

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