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XLord007 Dec 15, 2006

"Let's call the RIAA!"  The RIAA?  Oh, cause they're such nice fellows.  Even if they did give a shit about Japanese stuff, why partonize them?  They have been vehemently anti-consumer from the get go.  And JASRAC?  The same organization that does whatever it can to keep CD prices around $30 in Japan?  Geez.  I'm all for educating buyers, but let's not start pandering to trade groups that want nothing more than to limit consumer choices.  I care about stopping bootlegs as much as the next guy, but regardless of how the old saying goes, the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

Cedille Dec 15, 2006

James O wrote:

Anyone thought of contacting JASRAC?  It's like the RIAA equivalent over there in Japan I think.

Maybe JASRAC isn't interested in this so much, as it doesn't have many copyrights of gamemusic. The tracks which JASRAC has the right of are only "Melodies of Life", "Real Emotions", "Symphonic Poem" and so on. Dunno about the RIAA, but when it comes to Japan, it's game companies (not even the composers) who own copyrights of game music songs. Kouich Sugiyama is the only game music composer who entrusts the copyright of his music to JASRAC AFAIK.

So it's better to contact each game developer instead, though I hear it's quite hard even for right holders to claim the violation of rights when it's an offshore case.

Ramza Dec 15, 2006

GOD I hate ebay. So I can't keep in contact with ANY of the buyers I wrote to now because they have severely limited my ability to contact anyone! I should've just made my original message: "look here" and posted a link to this thread, which would explain everything to them.

Stupid mother-f*cking injustice.

Ramza

raynebc Dec 15, 2006

It's nice to educate the buyers, but just know that ebay is against you all the way.

lordskylark Dec 16, 2006

But, considering Square-enix does hold the copyrights in the US, and they do release the music on iTunes for Us sales... They could enforce it.

~Andy

Ramza Dec 16, 2006

Got response from customspecialists when I confronted him on the fake FFVIII "Silver Collection" disc and the full-sized disc for Eyes On Me.

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Please tell me more why these are not genuine discs.  We remove them from Japanese
purchased damaged salvage shipments.  We have never had anyone mention anything of this
nature.  Thanks!
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I guess as long as he's polite and leads conversations in circles, he can keep this up forever.

"Please tell me more why these are not genuine discs." Hmm...he himself couldn't even list a catalogue number for that "Silver Collection" disc he includes in the pack.

I officially give up.

Ramza

oddigy Dec 16, 2006 (edited Dec 16, 2006 by Amber)

The answer to this mess is buried in the second page of posts in this thread. 
One sentence should get people's attention.  It can be posted as feedback, sent to buyers, the seller, use your imagination.


"I downloaded cdrid163.zip and it says discs are Prodisc Technology CD-Recordable.  Bootlegs!" (or however you can fit that into how many characters you're given.)

If you're going to leave that as feedback, do not include any URLs in your feedback or eBay will remove it.  Instead of saying cdrid163.zip you could say CDR Identifier, but the former makes it easier for someone who cares to check themselves to Google it and pick it up.

Also, as others have mentioned, please do not contact winning bidders using the "send user a message" form - that's called "auction interference" and is against the rules in a big way, even if you're sending a legitimate message.

Carl Dec 16, 2006

Secret Squirrel wrote:

Just to satisfy curiosity, I counted his VGM sales for the last week, and he grossed over $2200.  Of course, since it's holiday time, it's probably not valid to extrapolate, but that works out to over $100,000 per year he's grossing from selling fakes.

This is interesting, as a 6 figure income from counterfit goods could be high enough of an amount to spark some interest through his hometown local police department. 

Also, he's probably not claiming these profits as income, in addition to any day-job he might have, and not paying taxes to Uncle Sam on that might be enough to raise eyebrows at the IRS as well.

So far everyone on this thread has been focused on solely online tactics, but I propose that some live and in-person law enforcement knocking at his home address door would likely have a greater effect.

So here's the idea.  For those who have received discs from him, did he have a regular return address and his name on the package?  Or did he try to use a business name/P.O.Box for the return address? 

Either way, get his name and residential address for the town/city he's in, and then look up which local police department is nearby and serves that area, and call them up with a tip about a counterfit goods dealer.   

Supply all the necessary info and offer to show them examples of both the real items and his fake items, and ask if they'd conduct their own an investigation into the matter. 

Remind them that 100,000 a year in bootleg goods is passing through their fine city, which they may or may not care about, and that possible tax-evasion might be occuring.   

But if they decide to investigate and warrant a search of the premises to look for duplication equipment, it would certainly make the seller nervous enough to think twice if an officer would show up to ask some questions at his front door.

Eclisis Dec 16, 2006

Carl wrote:
Secret Squirrel wrote:

Just to satisfy curiosity, I counted his VGM sales for the last week, and he grossed over $2200.  Of course, since it's holiday time, it's probably not valid to extrapolate, but that works out to over $100,000 per year he's grossing from selling fakes.

This is interesting, as a 6 figure income from counterfit goods could be high enough of an amount to spark some interest through his hometown local police department. 

Also, he's probably not claiming these profits as income, in addition to any day-job he might have, and not paying taxes to Uncle Sam on that might be enough to raise eyebrows at the IRS as well.

So far everyone on this thread has been focused on solely online tactics, but I propose that some live and in-person law enforcement knocking at his home address door would likely have a greater effect.

So here's the idea.  For those who have received discs from him, did he have a regular return address and his name on the package?  Or did he try to use a business name/P.O.Box for the return address? 

Either way, get his name and residential address for the town/city he's in, and then look up which local police department is nearby and serves that area, and call them up with a tip about a counterfit goods dealer.   

Supply all the necessary info and offer to show them examples of both the real items and his fake items, and ask if they'd conduct their own an investigation into the matter. 

Remind them that 100,000 a year in bootleg goods is passing through their fine city, which they may or may not care about, and that possible tax-evasion might be occuring.   

But if they decide to investigate and warrant a search of the premises to look for duplication equipment, it would certainly make the seller nervous enough to think twice if an officer would show up to ask some questions at his front door.

I think I can supply that.  He actually bought something from me, but I'm assuming that the address is legit since he received the soundtrack.  Looks like it may be an office though since it has "c/o Custom Specialists" as part of the addy.  He operates out of Austin, Texas.

Cedille Dec 17, 2006

I emailed JASRAC, AVEX, ANIPLEX, SQUARE-ENIX, SQUARE-ENIX-MUSIC, NINTENDO, KONAMI, SEGA, NAMCO, CAPCOM and some other related companies. However, all of them are just JP divisions. Except for JASRAC and NINTENDO, it could be that they don't have staffs who're active and can speak English even in the legal department. Plus, basically Japanese organizations and companies are too lazy to investigate the alleged boot-selling in the oveaseas auction, though JASRAC would request youtube.com to delete thier stuff everyday =P

Ramza Dec 17, 2006

Eclisis, he bought something from you? Probably so he'd have an original to duplicate. tongue

Ramza

POPOBOT5000 Dec 17, 2006

I don't think it's that they're "too lazy," I think they just don't feel the need to, or that the money spent pursuing bootleggers wouldn't be justifiable. I could be wrong--and if I am, I'm sure to be corrected--but I don't think bootlegs are a big problem in Japan, where the CDs are primarily sold. Outside of Japan, it's more rampant, but they're not selling their CDs there and there aren't as many interested in buying, so what money does go to bootleggers doesn't necessarily equal losses to the companies.

Not to knock your noble cause, but I think it's kind of silly that some fans who aren't losing anything are banding together to try and shut down a bootlegger, when the companies and composers who do stand to lose something have long turned a blind eye. It's akin to a bunch of trendy women banding together to get a knockoff Prada bag seller kicked off the street while Prada and the police don't really seem to care.

I understand wanting to give composers what they're due and protecting the naive from inferior products, but those are more altruistic pursuits not in line with what the record companies care about, so it's unlikely that one or more of them are going to go out of their way to stomp on custom-specialists.com or any other bootlegger.

Cedille Dec 17, 2006

I agree with you, especially your conclusion. I was actually aware it would be quite hard to drive 'em to face this seriously while sending mails. Any J-publisher won't take into consideration overseas sales when they publish OSTs. So, my 'too lazy' wasn't a suitable expression (being non-English speaker, I often overstate something).

POPOBOT5000 wrote:

Not to knock your noble cause, but I think it's kind of silly that some fans who aren't losing anything are banding together to try and shut down a bootlegger, when the companies and composers who do stand to lose something have long turned a blind eye.

You may think we're silly and don't lost anything, we do lost something and indeed we're offended by him somehow. It might be mere hypocrisy or my envy, but anyways I can't ignore people selling piracy and earning money from it and then I'd like to struggle with this on spec =P  Also, it's really harmful to the comapy such as VGMworld (Cocoebiz) selling genuine stuff abroad and trying to eliminate piracies, whereas I'm a semi-staff of that. This guy may help globalization of VGM to an extent, but at least he can't be justified as long as he earns money.

I won't call game and record companies 'lazy' even if they don't take action against this, so you're OK? smile

POPOBOT5000 Dec 17, 2006

Yeah, we're okay, I'm not opposed to anyone here. I don't condone or support the bootleggery, and I'm not saying "you're all stupid and should give up," I just think it's naive to think the big guns are going to waste a bullet on a small fry.

Eclisis Dec 17, 2006

Ramza wrote:

Eclisis, he bought something from you? Probably so he'd have an original to duplicate. tongue

Ramza

Yeah, I thought the name looked familiar so I checked my emails.  He bought my Star Ocean: The Second Story OST back in April.  Kind of surprising seeing as I didn't think I had anything that would attract the attention of a bootlegger.

Drunkbeard Dec 19, 2006

While I can't comment on how effective it will be to get this guy nailed by local authorities or what have you, but in terms of eBay, I think one of the bigger issues to get *anything* done by them is the fact that he has such a high feedback level.

I know a guy who was scalping tickets (legally) on eBay, but because he pretty much opened up an eBay account JUST for that, he was shut down pretty quickly by people who were worried they wouldn't get their tickets. I hated the fact he did it, but let's face it....eBay will lose much more than they will gain if this guy gets shut down, especially since his feedback is so damn high. If he was under 500, I think it would be a lot easier to get eBay to shut his ass down. :\

Kim K Dec 19, 2006

seanne wrote:

I also tried to find a simple "contact" link on Square-Enix's North America site, but to no avail. Anyone know if they have a contact address, or what?

I found this address from the online store: support@square-enix-usa.com. Also, they have More Friends there, one of the albums included in customspecialist's lots..

By the way, customsspecialist lists many authentic soundtracks at the moment, too. Maybe we managed to scare him, and now he's selling the remaining lots along with the original ones!

Zane Dec 19, 2006

Not that it makes any difference, but I notice that the seller is also selling a lot of size 9 women's shoes and larger women's clothing. So she has big feet, she's a little bit on the heavy side and she's a bold-faced liar. Sounds like several chicks I've dated.

Magical Penguin Dec 19, 2006

Maybe someone should just try and sell a few game music CD-Rs on eBay, get caught, argue with eBay over it, and then sue eBay for not allowing them to sell CD-Rs for profit when they're allowing other members to do so on a much larger scale.

avatar! Dec 20, 2006

Zane wrote:

Not that it makes any difference, but I notice that the seller is also selling a lot of size 9 women's shoes and larger women's clothing. So she has big feet, she's a little bit on the heavy side and she's a bold-faced liar. Sounds like several chicks I've dated.

Hehe...
Dude, we need to swap dating stories at some point!

cheers,

-avatar!

Eclisis Dec 20, 2006

Zane wrote:

Not that it makes any difference, but I notice that the seller is also selling a lot of size 9 women's shoes and larger women's clothing. So she has big feet, she's a little bit on the heavy side and she's a bold-faced liar. Sounds like several chicks I've dated.

Not to mess up your theory, but the first name is Thomas.  Maybe he's selling his girlfriend's/wife's stuff?  Or...his mom's? ...Sorry, I'd better stop.

Carl Dec 20, 2006

Why keep battling in virtual ebayland, where he has protective barriers?
Saying hello to his local law enforcement would be slightly more effective at rattling his home base.

Princess-Isabela Dec 23, 2006 (edited Dec 23, 2006)

this guy is selling lies and make a living out of it:

txt from his auction:

"Custom Specialists is a producer of (you guessed it) Custom video discs and other unique creations based on popular video game titles that we create from damaged salvage lots. We strive to bring you, the fans, a quality product that you can enjoy."

here's a feedback from one of the buyers:

"WARNING: BOOTLEGGED CDs. However, sound quality & custom CD case very good.
       
Buyer  kinoko_otoko( 2 ) New eBay Member (less than 30 days)
         Dec-19-06 17:26         290059128799    
   
Reply by customspecialists: WE ONLY SELL ORIGINAL JAPANESE CDS. ALWAYS HAVE, ALWAYS WILL smile

no comment.

Princess-Isabela Jan 4, 2007 (edited Jan 4, 2007)

that's just awful what this seller is doing.

guy left neutral comment regarding his bootlegged auction stating:

"good shipping nice product Neutral: CD's are burned copies not originals"

to which seller hit him back with negative comment:

"BUYER LEAVES COMPLETELY UNDESERVED FEEDBACK W/O CONTACTING FIRST"

anyone contacted ebay besides amber and few other people from here?

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