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Angela Feb 15, 2008

Figure I'd kick off a thread for the hotly-anticipated sequel with the release of the first teaser trailer. 

Official site:
http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html

Downloadable HD versions of the teaser trailer:
http://www.killermovies.com/i/indianajones4/

Glad to see they're keeping the trademark Indy humor in, but those CG effects are looking distractingly heavy.  (This is Lucas, after all.)  Ford still looks like he's got the acting chops -- both characteristically and physically -- to fill out the role.

Qui-Gon Joe Feb 15, 2008

Angela wrote:

Glad to see they're keeping the trademark Indy humor in, but those CG effects are looking distractingly heavy.  (This is Lucas, after all.)

From everything I've read, Spielberg seems to be intent on keeping the CG to an absolute minimum, and he's also keeping Lucas in check.  I seem to recall him responding to someone talking about what Lucas wanted with the movie with "Lucas isn't the director.  I am" or something to that effect.  In any case, I am TOTALLY pumped about this movie.  Marion being in it is like a fanboy dream come true.  My only disappointments so far are the lack of other returning characters.   Obviously we can't have Marcus back because Denholm Elliot passed away, but I cannot for the life of me figure out why they aren't including Sallah (especially after John Rhys-Davies was such a champion for Indy 4 for so long).  Also I totally can't comprehend why Connery said NO to coming back, thus leaving his final film as LXG.  That one kind of boggles my mind.

Angela Mar 30, 2008

New TV spot in 720p.  It's just five seconds of new footage with LeBeouf and Ford.... the rest are scenes from the teaser trailer.  Still managed to raise my ever-rising hype for the film, though.

TV Spot, 720p:
http://downloads.paramount.com/mp/india … 0_720p.mov

By the way, does anyone remember the Young Indiana Jones series back in the 90s?  For some reason or another, it bypassed me completely.  Was thinking of at least checking out the first volume set.

The Adventures of Young Indiana Jones, Volume One - The Early Years:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000VDDDVE/ref … erdict2-20

Ryu Mar 31, 2008

Hm, I wonder if they are going to touch up the special effects in the first three when they get special edition blu-ray releases like they did the original Star Wars trilogy.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this movie... I think it is the first movie I'm seeing in theaters this year AND since Bourne Ultimatum came out.

Jay Mar 31, 2008

They didn't touch up the effects in Star Wars. They pricked about with it. If that's what you mean, I can't see anything worth doing to the Indiana Jones films.

As for actually just touching up the effects, well, they did that for the last dvd release. The only one I remember is removing the reflection of the snake in the first film but I think there were a couple more subtle fixes.

Ryu Mar 31, 2008

^ The effects in the second movie were crap when I watched it, for the first time, recently, but otherwise there's not much to do.

Jay Apr 1, 2008

Really? You could well be right. I either wasn't paying attention or I was clouded by nostalgia.

Angela Apr 22, 2008

The first (legit?) review of The Crystal Skull appears to be up.  Relatively spoiler-free, Hollywood Elsewhere reports:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/04/ … r_jone.php

Proclamations like "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is the best of the Indy sequels" and ".... an ending that any longtime diehard fan of the films could only dream about - expect a particularly resounding reaction in the theater" sounds very promising.

shdwrlm3 Apr 22, 2008

Angela wrote:

The first (legit?) review of The Crystal Skull appears to be up.  Relatively spoiler-free, Hollywood Elsewhere reports:

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2008/04/ … r_jone.php

Cate Blanchett is rocking that wig. I thought Elsa was an interestingly complex character, but it'll be nice to see a full-blown female villainess.

In the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly, the reporter asks if "Agent Spalko gives off a vaguely dominatrix vibe," and George Lucas replies, "Not so vaguely!" Hmm, I wonder if she has a whip, too?

Angela May 11, 2008

Heh, I couldn't help but snap this shot with my phone yesterday at the theater:

http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/4552 … ndybf5.jpg

There was also an eight foot tall Incredible Hulk statue on the other side of the building.  I'll have to grab that next time around.

Qui-Gon Joe May 11, 2008

Angela wrote:

Heh, I couldn't help but snap this shot with my phone yesterday at the theater:

Wow!  Your theater interior totally looks just like one I used to go to in my childhood before that mall became too dangerous to go to for fear of being shot.  That's a pretty awesome display, too.

XLord007 May 12, 2008

The theater I go to is claiming it will have "Max the Crystal Skull" on display on the second weekend of the run.  No idea if that means anything or not, and I won't get to see it since I'm going on the first weekend, but uh, FWIW, you know?

Jay May 20, 2008

Well I saw the film this evening. Quick version - meh, it's okay. There's not really much of a story. Indy is just old. I was happy to find out Marion was in it and yet, watching it, I really wished she wasn't in it - she was rubbish, only served to refer to the first movie and made Indy worse.

Oddly, like really oddly, LaBeouf kind of saved the movie for me in ways. The opening I felt just didn't really come together, and I felt a little embarrassed for Ford (he wears old man pants). Things seemed really forced. But then they sent in the Beef and there was life in the movie.

But there are some good action bits, some great lines here and there. I really liked Broadbent in his brief role. I didn't find the movie too CG heavy at all (though just one single shot I could have done without). There's definitely stuff to enjoy here and it could have been a lot worse. I think it's easily my fourth favourite Indy film - and, after the 19 years (or whatever it is), to lump it in with them at all has to be a good sign.

Angela May 21, 2008

Ah, the first STC take on the film.  Excellent, thanks for sharing Jay!

Interesting that the opening didn't work for you, as many are saying that it's one of the very best parts of the movie.  Ford in old man pants?  Wouldn't you say that was a deliberate choice for his character?  But he's back in full garb after those opening sequences, right?   

Good to hear about the CG.  Odd that the majority of critics are saying that the effects are laid on thick -- or maybe they're integrated so seamlessly that it's hard to notice? 

I'd love to hear your take on Irina, actually. :)

Jay May 21, 2008

Yeah, I had heard so much about the CG and I am about as much a CG-aphobe as someone can get. I see little to no reason to use CG most of the time and yet films are full of it. There were about four instances in the movie where I was aware of the CG (there were others I'm sure but they were either really basic and hard to spot or just so big that they were an effect one way or another so CG didn't really matter).

One of those instances, I just didn't like what they were showing, rather than the CG itself. One of them was such a quick shot, I couldn't dwell on it. One was set up with a real life non-CG version, which mixed the tricks and helped the CG be believable (something Spielberg did so well back as far as Jurassic Park). The last, well, I only know it was CG because there's no way it could have been done any other way - it didn't look CG.

Sound like a lot when I lay it out there but, actually, it seemed like very little in the movie. Put it this way - there's no Jar Jar.

It wasn't so much the old man pants themselves that were the problem. You know when men hit a certain age, they lose all shape in certain areas? Well, Indy had lost all shape. His old man pants were hoisted up high and just hung like they were on a hanger. There was no shape. And I just fixated on that and saw a senior citizen, not Indiana Jones. That may be more about me than the movie... but even when he's in full Indy garb, all his pants look like old man pants.

I quite liked Irina. And in many ways I shouldn't - I'm no Blanchett fan (who is?), the character is entirely one-dimensional (actually barely even one dimension) and her look does not fit with anyone else in the movie. But something about her worked for me. There's very little to her. She's just a cartoon bad guy but, yeah, I kind of liked her. She's quite a badass and she played it well.

I'm quite surprised the opening worked for most people. It instantly requires a whole bunch of logic leaps, not that you wouldn't expect that in an Indiana Jones film but they come thick and fast so early. I also found it to be hugely exposition heavy, getting the full back story with him and Ray Winstone. And there were a few 'cool' lines that young Ford would have delivered beautifully but just sounded really forced from old man pants Ford. I could almost hear Spielberg shouting 'for God's sake man, give me more than that!'.

From that sequence, the movie goes into quite a relaxed natural setting of Professor Jones the elder teacher and there are some nice quiet moments with Indy and Jim Broadbent's character and, for me, they felt so much more real and natural - this was Indy in his later years for me. I could buy it. I kind of wish they had started with that feeling and then dragged Indy kicking and screaming into his former adventure role.

But, hey, it's Indy. Thing is, I could have come on here and said it is the worst film I have ever seen and you'd still all go see it. I know I would. One thing it has done is make me really hyped about the new Lego game. I can't wait for that, Nazis or no Nazis.

Angela May 22, 2008

Jay wrote:

And I just fixated on that and saw a senior citizen, not Indiana Jones. That may be more about me than the movie... but even when he's in full Indy garb, all his pants look like old man pants.

Man, now why'd you have to go and explain all that?  Now I'm gonna be consciously looking out for them old man pants.  >_>

I'm definitely looking forward to comparing and contrasting your impressions.  When are the rest of you seeing the film, by the way?  It's looking like I'll be waiting till this Saturday, since I insisted on seeing this badboy on a digital cinema viewing. :)

allyourbaseare May 22, 2008

The wife and I are out for a date this Friday and she wanted to go see the new Narnia until I reminded her that this is out.  Now it's a serious decision!

Personally, I could care less either way.  If I'm going to spend 20 bucks to go see a movie, everyone better SHUT THE HELL UP. 

$30.00 for a blu-ray played on the PS3 through surround sound at the comfort of my own home + cold Diet Cokes in the fridge + Orville Redennbacher?  MFW

Ryu May 22, 2008

I liked it, even though the story... hm.  To me, I didn't even notice 'old man pants' at all.  I did notice it really didn't feel like a Indiana Jones movie to me.  Since I'm not talking spoilers (we need to settle a rule on here on when we can), here's a slight aside on upcoming movies:

Next up:  Incredible Hulk... I'm not expecting much, but I have a disease where I end up seeing every Marvel movie.

Stuff that I won't be seeing next month:  The Happening is probably something I'll see on DVD, but I swear I've no interest in M. Night's work at all.  All thanks to The Village, the only one I've seen.

Get Smart's trailer, the one I saw before Indy, was funny.  The Love Guru might be funny, but for some reason I don't have faith Mike Myers can deliver the comedy goods any longer.  I'll probably wait until both of these are on DVD before I see them.

The previews for Wall-E look great.  The Pixar guys are brilliant, but I won't go see a movie alone, and I can never get a friend to go watch anything animated, other than the Simpsons Movie.  So, another I have to wait to see on DVD.

Shoe May 23, 2008 (edited May 23, 2008)

They should've called this movie 'Kingdom of The Crystal Rehash'.

Did the trilogy really need a fourth film? Um, no.

i loved the original movies back when they came out in the 80s but this one was just plain dumb.

i guess Harrison, Speelyberg & Lucas decided that they should make this movie 'for old time's sake/ to try and relive The Good Ol' Days' or whatever but an 'Indiana Jones 15 Year Anniversary Reunion Tour' is just silly, as well as a waste of your ticket money.

i suppose it's a way to introduce the Younger Generation to their Jones Experience on The Big Screen if you want to think of it that way, but to me it was just one big home video of Ford, Spielberg & Lucas's '2007 Summer Vacation'.

(Snippet of Lucas and Spielberg's phone conversation:)

"..I know, I know! I'm vacationing in Hawaii this summer, let's do an Indiana film with an Area 51 theme! Our old fanbase would LOVE a new Indy flick and I haven't seen Harrison in four years, how 'bout it Steve?"

'Yeah that's a great idea, my studio wants to make a summer blockbuster for next year and I've been kinda bored in general lately..'

"We can't use Nazis this time around, so how about Evil Russians and Psychic Aliens instead??"

'Sounds great to me, George! We'll start working on a script this weekend!! So I'll see you for dinner around 8:30 tomorrow?'

"You bet! Bring the grandkids too, tell 'em Uncle Georgie wants to show them the new Xbox game his company's working on!"

'Alright, see ya tomorrow then, take care!'

*click*



Some sequels are just so darned redundant. Blah, it sucks to get old, doesn't it??

shdwrlm3 May 23, 2008

Angela wrote:

I'm definitely looking forward to comparing and contrasting your impressions.  When are the rest of you seeing the film, by the way?  It's looking like I'll be waiting till this Saturday, since I insisted on seeing this badboy on a digital cinema viewing. smile

I'm planning on seeing it next Tuesday, but I'm debating on whether or not I should see it in digital. Spielberg himself mentions that transferring from film (which Indy was shot on) to digital makes for an inferior image. Let us know what you think of the image quality.

Also from the linked article:
"I apologize to the entire Russian populace for my impression," [Cate Blanchett] said yesterday. "But, hopefully, it will be dubbed."

Idolores May 23, 2008

allyourbaseare wrote:

If I'm going to spend 20 bucks to go see a movie, everyone better SHUT THE HELL UP.

Dude, where do you live? Movie tickets are about the same fuckmothering price for me. T_T

Cram May 24, 2008

It did feel like an Indiana Jones movie to me. I won't post spoilers. I will say that it followed a very similar structure to Raiders and Lost Crusade. I could easily defend that point but that would require spoilers.

As for story. I liked it. But I am also a fan of Science Fiction so I may be bias.

For anyone that may think that the story was way to "out there", just consider this: A cabinet that can contact god and kill people, stones that can heal the land, and a cup that can make someone immortal as long as they stay within 100ft of where they found the cup. All completely ridiculous, but we love them none the less. This movie is no different, in my opinion.

Go see it and have some fun. It's one hell of a ride.

Jay May 24, 2008

To drown my 360 RRoD sorrows, I went out and bought an excellent Indy Lego set. It's the opening of Raiders with the idol, boulder and the plane. Why did it have to be snakes? It's excellent. I really can't wait for the Indy Lego game and hope my 360 is back by the time it comes out.

Razakin May 24, 2008

Just got back from the theater, grinning like a kid who had seen his first Indy movie. Bloody hell, it was really worth the wait and ticket (9,5 €). Just loved the movie a lot.

Funnily, the chase scene which seemed so stupidly CGIsh on trailer, didn't felt at all CGI on big screen, maybe I was just so sweeped into the movie.

Now I just need to wait for the DVD.

And probably should talk about the movie more, but what can I do when I just loved it. Especially scene's with Karen Allen.

Ryu May 24, 2008

Jay wrote:

To drown my 360 RRoD sorrows, I went out and bought an excellent Indy Lego set. It's the opening of Raiders with the idol, boulder and the plane. Why did it have to be snakes? It's excellent. I really can't wait for the Indy Lego game and hope my 360 is back by the time it comes out.

Sorry to hear about your 360.  I had an interest in Lego Indiana Jones until I found out it only has the first 3 Indy movies.  What's up with that?  I'll probably rent it, but I anticipate they'll double-dip like they did with the Lego Star Wars games, just to add Crystal Skull... and any subsequent sequels?  Will there be more sequels?

Jay May 24, 2008

Hard to know. I'd be surprised if there weren't.

But, yeah, it doesn't seem quite right leaving the new one out of the game. I could understand it if, like Star Wars, there were already (or were about to be) three more movies. But, even if they make two more, it will be a long, long time before that last one comes out. They really should have gone for all four movies.

Still, a Lego game based on the first three movies? How could I possibly resist?

longhairmike May 24, 2008

Jay wrote:

Still, a Lego game based on the first three movies? How could I possibly resist?

i wonder if the lego nazis give off toxic plastic fumes when the ark melts their faces off...

XLord007 May 25, 2008

Saw Indy 4 last night.  I think the problem here is expectations.  What most people seem to forget is that the Indy movies are all pretty campy and pulpy.  Those expecting Lord of the Rings are definitely going to be disappointed.  I liked what I saw -- the film was fun and entertaining, if nothing special.  It's certainly worth seeing for its heritage, if nothing else.

Ryu May 25, 2008

longhairmike wrote:
Jay wrote:

Still, a Lego game based on the first three movies? How could I possibly resist?

i wonder if the lego nazis give off toxic plastic fumes when the ark melts their faces off...

No Nazis will be in the game...

Jay May 25, 2008

I guess if you're expecting a well-crafted film and you don't get that, I'd put the blame on the film rather than the expectations. Why shouldn't anyone expect a great movie?

Angela May 25, 2008

Two words: Prairie dogs.  Toooooo cute~!

Crystal Skull.  Yes, I liked it.  I liked it a lot.  But..... I didn't LOVE it.  At least, not "love" in the same sense that I did with Last Crusade, but certainly "like" on the same level as Raiders.  (And, it edges out Temple by a good measure.)

I give credit to Crystal Skull for providing a nice, long journey; even if it's reportedly shorter in time length than The Last Crusade (if just by a few minutes), the film feels like it covers a LOT more ground.  The blending of classic Indy "mysto-crypto" historical exposition and well-staged action sequences is punctuated by a far greater number of interesting location shots and scenery. 

To speak of Indy himself, I think Ford was fantastic all around.  Old man pants or no (a distinction I barely noticed - really Jay, were you staring that hard? o_O), he looked pretty damned good for 65.  He certainly got the overall look and physicality of the character down.  Karen Allen, on the other hand, looked a little more wear for tear.  I do think they could've done more with Marion in terms of her character, and I don't feel that the resolution between she and Indy was as fulfilling as the story dictated.  Still, she provided a welcome foil to Indy that, while nowhere near as strong as that in Raiders, is still familiar and fun to watch.  I don't think I'll ever be able to fully dissociate LeBeouf from his Stanley Yelnats role, so I found the tough-guy mentality of Mutt hard to swallow.  He was pretty good otherwise; the disparity and jokes between age and youth didn't come off as excessive as I thought it might have been, thankfully, and he had a good presence in the action bits.

Blanchett's Spalko turned out to be a lot tamer than I first imagined.  Even as a villain, there was no immediate urge for her to have Jones disposed of, and there's actually a fun moment where......  we're watching him get all passionate and so swept up in cracking the riddle with her that he sort of forgets he's helping the enemy.  He was "giddy as a school boy," if you will. :)  That said, the head villain of the Indy movies was always more passive than his second-in-command (in Raiders and Last Crusade at least), and I guess Colonel Dovchenko this time fits the bill of brute adversary.  Irina, however, does get in on quite a bit of the action, particularly during the impressive jungle chase sequence.  Hurt as the demented Oxlay was fascinating, but the character that didn't work for me at all was Ray Winstone's Mac.  Winstone played it to the best of capacity, but the character felt completely unnecessary in the grander scheme of the plot, and proved to be a complete throwaway by the end.

The story itself..... I'm going to say that, yes, there are more leaps of logic and belief suspending than what is normally expected.  The paranormal angle works if you consider the validity of Soviets and their psychic programs at the time.  The rest can better be accepted once you get past the X-Files set-in-the-50s sci-fi vibe you might initially feel.  As for the CG, yes, there are some spots of obvious usage for the more pertinent effects, but on the whole, the movie is still rooted in good old fashioned hands-on stunts and real life sets that it's hard to pinpoint where the argument is coming from that it's used excessively.  The reenactment of the 50s makes for a great looking period piece, especially the Marshall College campus and the socialite bar.  (While we're talking about the film's look, allow me to address my digital cinema experience.  Despite Spielberg's protest, I thought the picture looked spectacular - however, I understand where he's coming from as far as wanting to preserve the original artistic vision of the movie.  I peeked in at the beginning of another showing on a regular projector, and the look of the desert instantly brought to mind the original look of the 35mm-shot Last Crusade.)   

The music is all perfectly Williams, with the Raiders March and Irina's Theme being the key highlights for me.  The theme of the Crystal Skull leaves a more memorable mark in context, as its creepy, near-otherworldly overtones are all the more apt once you discover what it's about.  Taking another listen at the CD soundtrack release, you get the sense that the CD follows a more concert suite-based structure; there are cues borrowed and used from all the tracks, but many of them aren't so prominently 'whole' in the film presentation.  (To that end, the CD tracklisting isn't completely in chronological order either.)  Also, imagine my delight when I heard The Last Crusade's Holy Grail/Jones Sr. motif at an appropriate key spot in the film - and my equal chagrin when it played yet again at a totally INAPPROPRIATE moment. 

So, final verdict?  Like the rest of you, I'd say it's not the be-all comeback sequel that many wanted it to be.  But it's a film that's worthy of belonging to the Indy series, and quite an enjoyable one at that.  I might go ahead and see it again, only because the story and exposition bits have nuances that I feel are worth watching again.  (Yes, despite the awesome action stuff, the exposition moments are what I enjoy the most in any Indy film - and in this case, longer is better.  Do you dig, Daddy-O?)

XLord007 May 26, 2008 (edited May 26, 2008)

Jay wrote:

I guess if you're expecting a well-crafted film and you don't get that, I'd put the blame on the film rather than the expectations. Why shouldn't anyone expect a great movie?

Call me a blasphemer, but I don't think any of the Indy movies are "great films."  They're all fun and worth seeing, and I like them, but that's it.  I got exactly what I expected in Indy 4 and I'm happy with it.

Amazingu May 26, 2008 (edited May 26, 2008)

XLord007 wrote:
Jay wrote:

I guess if you're expecting a well-crafted film and you don't get that, I'd put the blame on the film rather than the expectations. Why shouldn't anyone expect a great movie?

Call me a blasphemer, but I don't think any of the Indy movies are "great films."  They're all fun and worth seeing, and I like them, but that's it.  I got exactly what I expected in Indy 4 and I'm happy with it.

Then call me a Double Blasphemer, cos that's what I think of ALL of Lucas's Movies.

shdwrlm3 May 26, 2008

I saw it earlier today and loved it on a purely entertainment level. In fact, I had a smile on my face the entire time. It certainly had a different, umm, tone than the other films, but I think it fit the 1950s setting perfectly.

I can certainly understand how some people might find the story outlandish. However, I just played through Fate of Atlantis again (thank you, ScummVM!), so I was more than prepared for it. Oddly, the one thing I did have trouble accepting was (Spoilers!) Tarzan LeBeouf. Uggh. I had no trouble with the inter-dimensional beings, but Mutt swinging around on vines just made me cringe. Wrong movie, pal!

One other slight disappointment (very spoilerish!): The wedding was a perfect way to showcase some of the previous characters that wouldn't have fit into the story otherwise. I want my Willie, Short Round, and Sallah! Heck, throw in Sophia and other random Young Indy characters for good measure. Sigh, a wasted opportunity.

Jay wrote:

I didn't find the movie too CG heavy at all (though just one single shot I could have done without)

Yeah, that shot was probably a bit too much. I have a feeling people would've been more accepting of the story had they not included that.

I think it's easily my fourth favourite Indy film - and, after the 19 years (or whatever it is), to lump it in with them at all has to be a good sign.

I pretty much agree with this. It does feel detached from the other films, but in a way it has to be. It has been 19 years, after all. It's a movie about a different era made in a different era.

I quite liked Irina. And in many ways I shouldn't - I'm no Blanchett fan (who is?), the character is entirely one-dimensional

I wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but I did enjoy her in LotR and Elizabeth. "Serious" actors always have so much fun with action parts, and it showed with Blanchett's performance. Like I said, Elsa was already a more two-dimensional villain, so I wanted a good ol' badass villain. She's perhaps not as fearsome as Major Toht, but she's certainly more hands-on.

Angela wrote:

I do think they could've done more with Marion in terms of her character...

She really didn't do all that much here, did she? I think they could have substituted her with any other female and had the same effect, except, of course, for the familiarity aspect. On that note, I was sorely disappointed that she didn't punch Indy upon seeing him. Yeah, he (spoilers!) was there to save her, but I bet she harbored at least some resentment over being left at the altar. Plus, symmetry!.

Cram wrote:

Go see it and have some fun. It's one hell of a ride.

Truer words have never been spoken.

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