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Jodo Kast Jun 27, 2008 (edited Jun 27, 2008)

For the past 2 months I have been at war. My enemy is small and can kill opponents many thousands of times his size. They breed in large numbers and tend to avoid the light. Although formidable in appearance, they are not aggressive and will attack only if they feel trapped. I thought I had them under control, until last night. I found one in my bed.

Brown recluse spiders primarily occupy the midwest of the U.S. and deliver poisonous bites that can destroy flesh and organs. They do not build webs, but wander, like wolf spiders. Prey, including any insect and any spider, are attacked by ambush. So it doesn't matter if your house has no insects and no spider webs. You can still have a large population of brown recluses, because they get along just fine eating each other. It's possible to have hundreds of them in your house and rarely see one, nor ever get bitten. That was my case for a few years.

I found out I had them because I got some sticky traps and put out a few. That same day I caught one. I wasn't sure at first, so I compared it to several large images I found online. Sure enough, it was a brown recluse. I can now identify them quickly. I have become so accustomed to them that I can touch them while they are held fast by the glue. I don't have enough courage (nor enough stupidity) to touch one just ambling about.

One advantage to having an exoskeleton is that it takes longer to become dessicated (lose all the water in your body). One spider showed no signs of weakness after 12 days of no food or water, so I had to run a pencil tip into its prosoma, where the brain is located. I couldn't take a chance of it working its way off the glue. Once you start to catch them, you start to catch more. Since they eat each other, the corpses attract more spiders.

My laundry room had two large holes in the drywall, for certain pipes. I bought a foam, called Great Stuff, and sealed the holes. I also sealed the small openings along my sliding doors. I expected to see few spiders, since I sprayed deltamethrin (a poison) before spraying the foam. The laundry room is like a city for spiders, since it has what they need. Primarily, it has water, darkness, and low traffic. Bathrooms and kitchens are like little counties for the spiders, because of the water. So I was surprised when I started seeing spiders in my bedroom. They certainly weren't coming from the laundry room anymore.

Because of how I placed the traps, a spider would have to run out in the middle of the room in order to get in. They primarily hug the baseboards, because they want to stay inconspicuous. If a spider decides to run on the wall or on the ceiling, then I have no defense for that. The placement of my traps is using the assumption they will remain on the floor. But they were getting caught in the traps in my room. It seemed more likely that they were somehow originating in my bedroom.

I noticed my electrical outlets have little gaps under the plastic plates. So I put tucktape (usually called duck or duct tape) around the outlets and along some cracks I found in my baseboards and felt that solved the problem. But I kept finding them in my bedroom.

I wasn't too worried about the window in my bedroom because it looked sealed. It's sealed against polar bears, but not spiders. I found one halfway out, squirming its way into my supposed safe zone. Finally, I witnessed a point of origin, something I had been looking for for months. I took the foam and sealed my bedroom window - thoroughly. Even the photons are going to complain and that's the way I want it.

BAMAToNE Jun 27, 2008

I couldn't stop shuddering throughout this entire post.

Be careful. My last roommate almost lost her foot to one of those things...

Zane Jun 27, 2008

At least you got a good deal on the condo.

Also, holyshitihatespidersgrrrrroooossssss.

Megavolt Jun 27, 2008

Yeah, I shuddered too.  In fact, I think I'm going to clean up my room a little bit just to make sure that I have a clearer view of the floor at all times.  Carpets do suck in that way.

We've never had trouble with brown recluses as far as I know, but we've had a large population of 'the other one'.  Yeah, I'm talking about black widows, of course.  Those seem to thrive in the southwest.  My father and I have to check the backyard now and then because I think we've killed almost 20 of them over the years already.  In the backyard of our previous house, he went out and found about seven or eight in one day.  I'm glad that they stay outside, but it's still scary to think about getting bitten by one of those.

Related to brown recluses, my dad told me once of a guy who used an outhouse and got bitten by a recluse right on his penis.  The guy was terrified, but lucky for him, nothing happened.

allyourbaseare Jun 27, 2008

Um, yay?

*shudder*  I'm horrified of spiders and luckily have yet to see any at our house.  This is surprising because it's a fairly new development and we live right next to a desert.  I will say this, Terminix comes in once a month and sprays the exterior, garage, and the interior if we ask him to.  Best $98 a quarter if you ask me.

ONE brown recluse is too many.  Keep fighting the good fight JK.

Shoe Jun 27, 2008

What state do you live in, Jodo?


And although you have found their main point of entry, how about taping some of the sticky-traps on the bedroom walls and ceiling just to be sure?

Nick G Jun 27, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

I don't have enough courage (nor enough stupidity) to touch one just ambling about.

They can sense your fear. My basement floor is littered with the crusty remains of eight-legged fiends. I stomp on'em barefoot if I have to. It's become almost theraputic for me. The bigger the kill, the more satisfying. I'm hunting them now!

Crash Jun 27, 2008

I think Jodo's in Missouri.  Brown recluses tend to thrive in the midwest, and if you have one, you probably have hundreds.  Given the venom those suckers have, I'm not sure I would be bold as Nick.  Especially not barefoot.

longhairmike Jun 28, 2008

although the chicago area has bitchingly cold winters,, we have no hurricanes, earthquakes, floods, tornados,, or poisonous critters...

the latter is nice because i spent 5-9am this morning biking thru overgrown forest trails.. i had many a spiderweb plastered on my face and got my legs all cut up from branches and thorns...

coming soon,, longhairmike offroading helmet cam videos on youtube...

Shoe Jun 28, 2008

Crash wrote:

I think Jodo's in Missouri.  Brown recluses tend to thrive in the midwest, and if you have one, you probably have hundreds.  Given the venom those suckers have, I'm not sure I would be bold as Nick.  Especially not barefoot.

Stephen King wrote a book in '97 featuring the little brown devils called 'Desperation'.
('Desperation' was the name of the town it took place in).

If i had to Whomp 'Em & Stomp 'Em in my basement all the time, i would recommend at least keeping an old pair of boots or even slippers near the stairway to put on first.
C'mon Nick, why would you want to risk losing a foot or worse just to have bragging rights?
It ain't werth it, dude..

Ramza Jun 29, 2008

yeeehaw.

I have yet to find any threatening spiders or generic creepy-crawly things in my house. But lots of non-threatening stuff that my wife makes me kill ANYWAY. I consider it training for the day I meet ol' Brown or...gasp... Black.

Amazingu Jun 29, 2008

Holy shit, man, this is seriously the creepiest post you've ever made, and that's saying something wink

For what it's worth, I sincerely hope you get rid of the buggers so you can sleep safely again.

Nick G Jun 29, 2008

Crash wrote:

I think Jodo's in Missouri.  Brown recluses tend to thrive in the midwest, and if you have one, you probably have hundreds.  Given the venom those suckers have, I'm not sure I would be bold as Nick.  Especially not barefoot.

I'm in MO, too. I admit, I haven't seen any brown recluses since shortly after I moved to my current residence a few years ago. It was a hot, humid time in spring and the house hadn't been lived in for months. There was standing water in the basement, too. I got bit at least once and I can still remember the ugly greenish-colored wound it left. I may not be so bold as to step on a brown spider barefoot, but I will get payback.

Jodo Kast Jun 29, 2008

The worst thing I can do is get comfortable. I know a guy that kills pests for a living and he said that no matter how well you seal your house, they will always find another way in. I tend to think of the spiders as inmates in a cell. They have nothing but time on their hands and if there is a way out, it will be found. What I've learned is that the cavity behind drywall is spider territory. I've done a review of every place I've seen them disappear into and it's always behind the drywall. Another important point is that if you can see black (meaning - a gap) then that is a doorway for spiders. It doesn't matter if you think they can't fit. The first time you see one magically appearing from the wall will make you grow eight eyes yourself.

Since I've foamed many of the cracks I haven't seen any 'whoppers'. Brown recluses get a lot larger than their pictures on the internet intimate. I've got a dead whopper on a sticky pad right now and each front leg is about one inch long. So that's a 2 inch span, plus the prosoma (which holds the brain and the leg attachments).

Every time I see a spider now, it actually helps me. I'm getting better at finding possible entry points and much of my condo is now sealed against them.

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I do live in Missouri, near the top of the brown recluse territory. I've told a lot of people about the spiders in my condo and everyone has heard of someone that has been bit. The consequences vary considerably. Some people have lost a foot, while others got minor scars. One lady recently died because it bit her very close to her heart. She had put on a sweater that was presumably on the floor and a spider was nesting in it. It felt trapped and bit.

Your stress level has a lot to do with how fast the venom affects you. It's possible for the venom to remain close to the skin if you remain calm. If you panic, it will facilitate the spread of the venom into your blood. I know a woman that got bit while sleeping (on her knee) and it only left a minor scar. She told me she wasn't worried about it and took more than 12 hours to finally get to the hospital. This is because she didn't initially know it was a brown recluse that bit her.

The most common place to get bit is while sleeping. There is a very simple defense against this. Don't let any of your sheets touch the floor. Place sticky pads at each one of your bed posts. Inspect the bottom of your bed to make sure it is sealed. They will nest in there if it is not. Always take the sheets of your bed before going to sleep and shake them thoroughly (that's how I found one in my bed).

The second most common place to get bit is while in the bathtub. Spiders are unable to scale the sides of a bathtub. Remember that and do a quick survey before stepping in. Also remember that spiders do not drown easily. They do not breathe through their mouths, as mammals do. Because they have exoskeletons, they can retain oxygen for a long time.

Shoe Jun 29, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

..Some people have lost a foot, while others got minor scars. One lady recently died because it bit her very close to her heart. She had put on a sweater that was presumably on the floor and a spider was nesting in it. It felt trapped and bit.

It reminds me of that movie, ARACNID-PHOBIA..

avatar! Jun 29, 2008

Most spiders simply run away from humans. Therefore, probably the best thing to do is keep clothes off the ground, and as you said, just check before jumping into things. I don't care for spiders indoors, but I must say that despite all the negative attention they get, life as we know it probably wouldn't be possible without them. We'd be overrun by flies, mosquitoes, and various other bugs. Anyway, keep us posted on how your "war" is coming along. When I started reading your post, I thought you were going to mention bed bugs... this seems much worse! I wonder if the person you purchased the condo from knew about this?? As someone said, maybe that is why the condo went for such a good price...

good hunting,

-avatar!

ps Can you post any pics for us?

longhairmike Jun 29, 2008

u might want to consider that as-seen-on-tv product riddex.. its supposed to drive off bugs..  http://www.riddexplus.com/

avatar! Jun 29, 2008

longhairmike wrote:

u might want to consider that as-seen-on-tv product riddex.. its supposed to drive off bugs..  http://www.riddexplus.com/

Well, spiders are not bugs (insects). They're arachnids.

SquareTex Jun 30, 2008

avatar! wrote:

ps Can you post any pics for us?

...!!! yikes

Are you HOPING to give me a heart attack?!? I can't STAND those things...I certainly don't want to LOOK at them! wink

Jodo Kast Jul 1, 2008

avatar! wrote:

ps Can you post any pics for us?

I've tried to take pictures of them, but neither of my cameras can capture them clearly. I was told I need to buy one with a higher megapixel rating, as mine are only 4 megapixels. The spiders look blurry in all my attempts.

Some spiders I simply smash outright, if they are moving too fast. If they're moving that fast then they have important business that involves their survival, which I am adamantly against. Every now and then I'll accidently smash one beyond recognition when I'm trying to coax it on a sticky pad. It's easy to forget how powerful the glue is and it'll grip a surface faster than you can pull back. I had managed to preserve 2 big ones on a pad and I was going for another one on my fireplace, when the pad stuck to the fireplace. It compressed their bodies into a jumble of legs and oozing spiders insides. Well, that settled any fear of them ever getting off the pad.

So, I would need to snap a picture immediately after coaxing one onto a pad, or after finding one on a pad. If I wait a few days the opisthosoma (abdomen) shrinks, their legs start to move in towards the body, and there's a chance they'll get sucked. Some crafty bastards have figured out how to suck their friends dry without getting caught on the pad. Once, I did catch one. He was really plump and right next to him was a shriveled spider.

By the way, what sort of camera should I buy if I want to get good close-ups of spiders? I'm actually very interested in saving some images of this ordeal.

Shoe Jul 3, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

If I wait a few days, the opisthosoma (abdomen) shrinks, their legs start to move in towards the body, and there's a chance they'll get sucked.

I can just picture the enemy designers for the first Resident Evil game, studying real tarantulas in glass jars and sketching them/ taking notes.
And i remember seeing how realistic they looked in the Cube remake, with the individual hairs on their creepy bodies sticking out and all that..
The only thing that scared the hell out of me more than that was when Neptune jumped out of the Aqua Ring and thrashingly grabbed me.

..You said you've been dealing with the spiders for the past two months, do they hibernate during the colder months or did you just move in?

avatar! Jul 3, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

By the way, what sort of camera should I buy if I want to get good close-ups of spiders? I'm actually very interested in saving some images of this ordeal.

I would check with your local photo shop (assuming such a shop exists near where you live). They usually know this type of stuff very well! I would imagine you'll probably need to get some sort of lens if you want super quality images, but probably just higher resolution (8 megapixels and higher) should do the job for a basic pic.

cheers,

-avatar!

avatar! Jul 3, 2008

Jodo Kast wrote:

Some crafty bastards have figured out how to suck their friends dry without getting caught on the pad. Once, I did catch one.

Evolution at work! You should consider purchasing some cats. I hear they're good at taking out spiders and other such creatures (and would at least keep them in check). I know a guy at AZ whose cat kills scorpions. Them even more nasty!

cheers,

-avatar!

Jodo Kast Jul 4, 2008

Shoe wrote:

..You said you've been dealing with the spiders for the past two months, do they hibernate during the colder months or did you just move in?

I've been here for 3 years and for the first 2, a guy was spraying poison. I found out the guy was fired or something, so no one has sprayed yet this year. I was given a small amount of poison and I used that up last night when I saw a brown recluse just stroll right in, from my sliding doors. My grandpa told me to try a different strategy. Rather than try to kill the spiders, try to kill their main source of food. Although they will eat each other, they eat insects more often.

     So I sprayed the outside of my windows and along the concrete, which should give the insects a hard time for a while. I found a new species of spider on a sticky trap about 20 minutes ago. His fangs are huge. Consider it this way. If your humerus was a chelicera, then your radius (or ulna) including the length of your hand and fingers would be a fang. In other words, the fangs on this sucker were about as long as its abdomen. I don't know what species it is, but it is the stuff of nightmares.

     I suppose, that since it survived brown recluse territory, their population has diminished. Giant fangs or not, he would not have been granted easy access behind my walls.

Jodo Kast Jul 4, 2008

avatar! wrote:

Evolution at work! You should consider purchasing some cats. I hear they're good at taking out spiders and other such creatures (and would at least keep them in check). I know a guy at AZ whose cat kills scorpions. Them even more nasty!

cheers,

-avatar!

I used to have a cat (two, actually) and she once chewed on a spider like it was a piece of bubble gum. I had previously stepped on the type of spider that was in her mouth and it made a loud crunching noise. Cats' teeth are more suitable for rending and not grinding, so that might be why she was having trouble with it.

  I would want to make sure that brown recluse venom does not hurt cats before I got another one. Cats are playful, while spiders are not.

Ramza Jul 4, 2008

I know they come out blurry, but plz get more pics. Also try to photograph that evil fanged spider. DAMN sounds crazy.

Shoe Jul 14, 2008

So the Starship Troopers chapter is the one about people who stand up to their evil-ution and refuse to just sit idly by being 'the hunted'?

Those things look bigger than i expected. I wish you luck in continually killing them before they can get you.

longhairmike Jul 14, 2008

As long as you can control them until october you'll be fine,, at which point all remaining ones will try and enter your building to escape the cold. Are they perhaps originating in an elevator shaft or some other common area of the building (attic if you are on the top floor). I remember at our first spartment we had a colony of carpenter bees in the overhang of our porch. luckily there was no inside accessability from there.

Crystal Jul 14, 2008

Do you have Macro or Magnifying glass on your digital camera?
Sometimes that will help the quality a bit.

Seriously those pictures gross me out even so.

Shoe Aug 16, 2008

longhairmike wrote:

coming soon, longhairmike offroading helmet cam videos on youtube...

Gentle-Ben will sue you if you steal it..

After All, look what happened with M&Ms and The Naked Cowboy..

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