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avatar! Sep 18, 2008

and now, some scientists working for private companies looking to make a quick buck think they can tell us what's good to eat??

I say screw this shit, and screw anyone trying to shove this down my throat!!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080918/ap_ … er_chicken

"it's the pharmaceutical industry that seems poised to reap the greatest benefits"

why does that not surprise me? They've been trying (and succeeding) at endlessly driving pills down people's throats for the couple of decades.

Maybe I'll start raising my own chickens...

-avatar!

absuplendous Sep 18, 2008

I imagine a lot of people who have devoted their lives and research working toward the goal of crafting food solutions both healthier and more plentiful would not appreciate having their efforts derided as merely "making a quick buck." While it is perhaps naive to believe that their motivations are 100% altruistic, I also think it's rather foolhardy to assume that they're all motivated purely by profit, as well.

I do agree that genetically modified food should be labeled as such, though, so that consumers have a conscious and willful choice in what they buy.

longhairmike Sep 18, 2008

genetically engineered chicken could be good for making a quick buck-buck-buck

Jodo Kast Sep 19, 2008

In some sense all life has been genetically engineered by the process of vicariance, or speciation. All species have always had the potential to be more efficient, but they were not sentient, like us, and therefore unable to do anything but breed normally. For instance, the insects have had some 400 million years to gain sentience and they have not yet achieved it. If one species of insect became self aware, then they may have attempted modifying other species to be better workers, for example. The mammals are the only group with species that can claim sentience and we did it in less than 200 million years. One of the problems with sentience is that there is a tendency to eliminate competition. So if the insects did what we did, they would probably not be as diverse as they are now.

As for eating engineered food, I'm all for it. The most important thing we need is corrosive and poisonous (oxygen) and few complain about that. The air we breath is far more modified than the food we eat, I would argue. If the process of genetically engineering food had the tendency to add certain elements like mercury or europium, then a public outrage would be called for. But if they want to add mouse parts to cows or eel parts to salmon, I don't give a damn.

I would guess that evolution will one day cease to exist in the traditional sense. It's not difficult for me to picture a future where every animal did not arise by speciation. With one exception, of course. Us. An end to human existence that few people consider is one in which another kingdom gains sentience. So, it would be in our interest to carefully control what other species do, such as genetically engineering them. It's a far-fetched threat, but we know that sentience is possible.

Sami Sep 19, 2008

avatar! wrote:

Maybe I'll start raising my own chickens...

Maybe you should do that. The meat industries are already a complete travesty. The antibiotics, the lack of hygiene, the disease, the overfeeding with poor quality food, the zero available living space are in no way natural. For now, the human immune system can put up with this crap, it's not like it's the first time that people have survived on low-quality meat, but it ain't too nice thinking about it.

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