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avatar! Nov 22, 2008

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/re … /quiz.aspx

I got s B... which means I have some things to learn of course! But, the scary thing: "The average score for all 2,508 Americans taking the following test was 49%; college educators scored 55%." No wonder students today suck! Anyway, how did you do?

cheers,

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Angela Nov 23, 2008

avatar! wrote:

I got s B... which means I have some things to learn of course!

A "B"?  Doesn't the quiz rate you strictly by percentage?

I managed a 69.70%.  I really had to dig back to my grade school social studies knowledge for some of these questions.

avatar! Nov 23, 2008

Angela wrote:
avatar! wrote:

I got s B... which means I have some things to learn of course!

A "B"?  Doesn't the quiz rate you strictly by percentage?

I managed a 69.70%.  I really had to dig back to my grade school social studies knowledge for some of these questions.

If you look at the site, they say A = 100-90, B = 89-80, etc...
So, basic school grades. But yeah, you get a percentage back.

cheers,

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PeteV Nov 23, 2008

I got a 78.79%.

Angela Nov 23, 2008

avatar! wrote:

But yeah, you get a percentage back.

So..... what was your percentage?

Brandon Nov 23, 2008 (edited Nov 23, 2008)

Got them all except for #9, and I dispute that one.

Spoiler:
The Constitution as originally ratified didn't give the federal government the power to levy an income tax, but the 16th Amendment gave it that power. I couldn't decide which one to pick, since I was pretty sure that both A and B were correct, so I went with B, which I was slightly more sure of.

Wanderer Nov 23, 2008

I got 54.55%... and I'm frankly surprised it was that high.

(I guessed on a few of them, though...)

Alex Nov 23, 2008

Ha, I tied with overachiever Brandon.  tongue  My Achilles' heel was question #30 -- apparently I was wrong to predict the answer using current events.

avatar! Nov 23, 2008 (edited Nov 23, 2008)

Angela wrote:
avatar! wrote:

But yeah, you get a percentage back.

So..... what was your percentage?

Not sure why it matters, and I actually don't remember the exact percentage. Low 80s. I missed a few questions. We all have things to learn.

cheers,

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edit: Alex and Brandon, nice job! I do agree, some of the questions were a bit ambiguous.

Angela Nov 23, 2008

avatar! wrote:

Not sure why it matters, and I actually don't remember the exact percentage.

Because a percentage is more accurate than a letter grade?  After all, you made a pretty strong statement based on a percentage quota yourself:

But, the scary thing: "The average score for all 2,508 Americans taking the following test was 49%; college educators scored 55%." No wonder students today suck!

avatar! Nov 23, 2008

Angela wrote:
avatar! wrote:

Not sure why it matters, and I actually don't remember the exact percentage.

Because a percentage is more accurate than a letter grade?  After all, you made a pretty strong statement based on a percentage quota yourself:

But, the scary thing: "The average score for all 2,508 Americans taking the following test was 49%; college educators scored 55%." No wonder students today suck!

Well, I actually did NOT make that "pretty strong statement", although I do agree it is a strong statement. I just took it from the website, although you are correct that a percentage is more accurate than a letter grade.

cheers,

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ps Is not Joaquin Rodrigo's "Fantasia para un gentilhombre" amazing smile

Jay Nov 23, 2008

I got 63.64% which is a bit pants but I guess I don't live there so some of it was totally alien to me. I don't know if the questions are the same each time but the answer to one question was in another question. That was handy.

avatar! Nov 23, 2008

Jay wrote:

I got 63.64% which is a bit pants but I guess I don't live there so some of it was totally alien to me. I don't know if the questions are the same each time but the answer to one question was in another question. That was handy.

A non-American scores higher on an American civics test than most Americans...
yeah, hmmm, I just can't help but find this troubling.

XLord007 Nov 23, 2008

I scored a 75.76%, which I think is pretty good since I haven't had a U.S. history or U.S. government class since 1996.

Captain Capitalist Nov 23, 2008

75.76% here.  I've taken a few political courses a while back so I think I had a better shot than the average bear, but honestly... I don't think many of the answers really matter.

Frankly, as long as you know the founding principals and ideals of our country then I fail to see the importance behind knowing the document in which it was written or forum in which it was said.  For foreigners particularly, if not for citizenship or green cards or whatever, why should they give a care who said what and when.  I imagine Thomas Jefferson means the same to them that Chairman Mao means to me... aka hardly anything.

The rest strikes me as interesting trivia and interesting history to see the circumstances in which these ideas were formed, but not necessarily important. 

As long as you know 2+2=4 is it really necessary to know where you got that information?

That being said, I did trip up on some of the procedural workings of government which I do think is important to know. Olla-Wella.

raynebc Nov 23, 2008

63.64%, but I haven't studied at all in the field in well over a decade.  I was as disinterested in history and politics back then as I am now.

Crash Nov 23, 2008

I missed four of them.  Most of the ones I missed were the who-said-what questions.  I also preferred to think that the government should not increase spending during a recession, but apparently that's wrong.

Angela Nov 23, 2008

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Well, I actually did NOT make that "pretty strong statement", although I do agree it is a strong statement.

Sure you did.  You said, "No wonder students today suck!"

Brandon Nov 23, 2008

Crash wrote:

I also preferred to think that the government should not increase spending during a recession, but apparently that's wrong.

Not necessarily. The question was what the government is most likely to do, not what it should do. The standard Keynesian prescription is to use deficit spending to stimulate the economy during a recession, and that's what governments have traditionally done in recent times. It doesn't hurt that deficit spending allows politicians to be all things to all people (bread, circuses, and lower taxes!).

Marcel Nov 23, 2008

Canadian here.  My score was 90.91 %.  But I have a masters degree in international politics, so I accept I'm not an average American.

Zane Nov 23, 2008

42.42%. Now, who wants to quiz me on something I think is important, like Silent Hill's plot?

the_miker Nov 23, 2008

Zane wrote:

42.42%. Now, who wants to quiz me on something I think is important, like Silent Hill's plot?

That's easy.  The dog was responsible for everything.

-Mike

Alex Nov 23, 2008 (edited Nov 23, 2008)

avatar! wrote:

Is not Joaquin Rodrigo's "Fantasia para un gentilhombre" amazing smile

Absolutely -- it's been a favorite of mine for years.  His "Concierto de Aranjuez" has some pretty great parts too, if you haven't heard it before.

avatar! Nov 23, 2008

Alex wrote:
avatar! wrote:

Is not Joaquin Rodrigo's "Fantasia para un gentilhombre" amazing smile

Absolutely -- it's been a favorite of mine for years.  His "Concierto de Aranjuez" has some pretty great parts too, if you haven't heard it before.

Oh for sure, his "Concierto de Aranjuez" is his most famous piece. I think it's on par with "Fantasia para un gentilhombre", although the latter just has a cooler title smile I don't think there's more beautiful guitar music than Rodrigo... in fact, if there would be a Guitar Hero Classical, I would be the first in line for that!

cheers,

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longhairmike Nov 23, 2008

66.7...

the only question that counts is the last one (about annual income)

XISMZERO Nov 23, 2008

72%

I'm disappointed because I'm currently taking a U.S. Constitution and History course right now but also was a tad distracted when I did it. I think I also was boggled by a few of the questions too...

Qui-Gon Joe Nov 24, 2008

90.91%

I love that kind of stuff... every once in a while I'm disappointed I wasn't a social studies teacher.

Brandon Nov 24, 2008

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

every once in a while I'm disappointed I wasn't a social studies teacher.

There's still time, isn't there?

RinoaDestiny Nov 24, 2008

You answered 26 out of 33 correctly — 78.79 %

Not bad considering Social Studies wasn't my best topic by far back in high school. I thought for sure that I'd score lower.

avatar! Nov 24, 2008

Captain Capitalist wrote:

Frankly, as long as you know the founding principals and ideals of our country then I fail to see the importance behind knowing the document in which it was written or forum in which it was said.

I agree that some items are almost trivia, but overall I think it's important to understand the historical reasons why laws were written, how they came about, etc. I think that if people forget such things, you're eventually doomed to relive them (cliché? perhaps, but true as well). Anyway, that's my perspective on it, and I think it's very important for Americans to have a basic knowledge of how the country was founded and how it operates. And basically, Americans are failing at this, although not as bad as they're failing in science. Now, why are Americans failing so miserably? Here's a really interesting read:

http://www.hereticalideas.com/2008/09/w … e-failing/

cheers,

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Jodo Kast Nov 24, 2008

You answered 23 out of 33 correctly — 69.70 %

I thought I'd do much worse, because I had to drop both Political Science and Intro to Law when I attempted them in college. I did get through American History with a B, but only because I found it marginally interesting. My most abysmal failure in college was Adolescent Psychology; I couldn't score higher than 24% on an exam. I managed to pass General Psychology with a C. The only set of classes I aced across the board was Latin.

longhairmike Nov 24, 2008 (edited Nov 24, 2008)

Jodo Kast wrote:

The only set of classes I aced across the board was Latin.

that comes in very handy when identifying all the species of critters you find in your place.

XISMZERO Nov 24, 2008

Kids are failing in the dire public school system today mainly because values and civics are not taught in a mesh with the quality of such schools in varied areas and parents who don't parent. Add to that public schools are a one-size fits all mess -- if schools were based upon choice (like in European countries like Belgium where kids actually learn or private schooling), you'd be able to hold teachers and administrators to something called standards of expectation. If you don't like it, you find another school. With public school, your only option is logistical shifting -- sometimes not always a financial option (taking into consideration better schools are in affluent areas).

I once spoke to a middle school teacher who teaches at a public school in an affluent suburb of Hartford (CT) just to relay why public schools have gone downhill over the past decade or so and he said in not so many words his job is stressful, long-hours, political resulting in mental tire. Another girl I asked said in a poor-income city here that the teacher just left answers open to a test and left the room!

In defense of commercial television news, yes they're for entertainment (and often news-meshed with entertainment) but I would disagree with the assertion that article put forth that you won't find informative, persuasive minds on there. On the other hand, If you wanted to watch dry, bland but informative material, go with CSPAN or public television -- without any competitive free-market aspect, we know they won't fail.

Jodo Kast Nov 24, 2008

longhairmike wrote:
Jodo Kast wrote:

The only set of classes I aced across the board was Latin.

that comes in very handy when identifying all the species of critters you find in your place.

It also helps me communicate with them. They're so old that they still speak Latin.

Stephen Nov 25, 2008 (edited Nov 25, 2008)

I answered 29 out of 33 correctly — 87.88 %

I had good history teachers, as I still remember much of this material without researching.

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