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Jodo Kast Jan 11, 2009

As part of my research, I'm reading a book about the LHC. One part of the book has made me pause - "The LHC dipoles comprise 7600 Km superconducting cable that weights 1200 tons. Each cable is made up of 36 strands of superconducting wire while each strand houses 6300 superconducting filaments of Niobium-titanium (NbTi) - the total length of the filaments is astronomical, more than 10 AU."

10 AU of anything is staggering. This means there are around 1,000,000,000 miles of wire in the LHC. Not quite enough to lasso Pluto, but you could probably catch one of the moons of Saturn. (An AU is the Sun-Earth distance, which is averages at 93,000,000 miles.)

An interesting thing about the LHC is the fear it invokes in the general public. Not one person I work with knows what the LHC is, but they are worried about that thing that makes black holes. People gladly use the devices that exist because of scientists (cell phones, computers, TVs) but fear the work they do at the same time. I would argue that you have a greater chance of swallowing your cell phone than a black hole swallowing you.

longhairmike Jan 11, 2009

i also heard that if you unraveled one of your testicles it would be like 10 miles of tubing...

avatar! Jan 11, 2009

Jodo Kast wrote:

As part of my research, I'm reading a book about the LHC. One part of the book has made me pause - "The LHC dipoles comprise 7600 Km superconducting cable that weights 1200 tons. Each cable is made up of 36 strands of superconducting wire while each strand houses 6300 superconducting filaments of Niobium-titanium (NbTi) - the total length of the filaments is astronomical, more than 10 AU."

10 AU of anything is staggering. This means there are around 1,000,000,000 miles of wire in the LHC. Not quite enough to lasso Pluto, but you could probably catch one of the moons of Saturn. (An AU is the Sun-Earth distance, which is averages at 93,000,000 miles.)

An interesting thing about the LHC is the fear it invokes in the general public. Not one person I work with knows what the LHC is, but they are worried about that thing that makes black holes. People gladly use the devices that exist because of scientists (cell phones, computers, TVs) but fear the work they do at the same time. I would argue that you have a greater chance of swallowing your cell phone than a black hole swallowing you.

I'm skeptical about the 10 AU statistic.
Where did you get it from? As for the LHC forming a black hole, that's not going to happen. People don't understand black holes anyway smile Most think black holes just suck everything in, which is not true at all. For instance, ask someone if the Sun turned into a black hole, how long would it take the Earth to fall in? Tell them that it takes light about 8 minutes to reach the Earth... see if they can figure it out!

cheers,

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Ashley Winchester Jan 11, 2009

longhairmike wrote:

i also heard that if you unraveled one of your testicles it would be like 10 miles of tubing...

conforting thought...

avatar! Jan 12, 2009

Ashley Winchester wrote:
longhairmike wrote:

i also heard that if you unraveled one of your testicles it would be like 10 miles of tubing...

conforting thought...

hmmm, I wouldn't trust any such statement without a solid reference. Sounds more like something grade school kids say. I always remember kids saying you shouldn't swallow gum because it takes 7 years  to be digested in your stomach, which is complete nonsense of course. I didn't know any better at the time, but today many things can be looked up quickly (with a grain or two of salt smile

cheers,

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Chris Jan 12, 2009 (edited Jan 12, 2009)

Disappointed this thread isn't about the light-harvesting complexes, a favourite topic of mine. But it's science nonetheless so I'm happy. smile

I'd certainly believe the testicle thing it if the tubing includes DNA. You can compact about two metres of it into the nucleus of each human cell. Of course, DNA isn't tubing though.

Jodo Kast Jan 13, 2009

avatar! wrote:
Jodo Kast wrote:
avatar! wrote:

Where did you get it from?

Perspectives on LHC Physics

Be more specific please...

Page 29, approximately 4/5 of the way down, at the bottom of the middle paragraph, which is nestled in between the first and third paragraphs.

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