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Angela Nov 16, 2009

Quoted from the FILMS 2009 thread:

Adam Corn wrote:

Would you guys really say in hindsight that you would prefer to see the threads for Iron Man, Benjamin Button, and other movies from last year all mixed together with that gigantic Dark Knight thread?  Say I just caught Benjamin Button on DVD last night and I want to contribute to a topic or reply to a comment I remember from the forums - it's a lot easier to scan through the topic page for "Benjamin Button" than, for example, it is to search for all the mentions of Star Trek (which I finally saw last weekend) in this long and still expanding thread.

In retrospect, this is exactly the sort of case where that thread's shortcomings come into light.  With the home release hitting this week, I believe Star Trek was excellent enough to be deserving of its own thread.  Seems only a handful of us saw it in theaters, so this is not only for the rest of you, but also for us fans planning on picking up the DVD/Blu-ray release.  (For myself, I saw the film thrice in theaters, and I've been eagerly awaiting to see it again.  I'm particularly looking forward to the making-of bonus features.)

Some choice quotes from those who had seen it:

James O wrote:

I thought J.J did a bang up job.  If you really want to get the full experience I definitely recommend reading the 4 issue Countdown pre-movie comic that sets up Nero's character and motivation, because you barely get any of that in the film.  Pine's Kirk is way sexed up, Zachary Quinto does a great job as Spock.  Everyone else (Sulu, Chekhov, Scotty, Uhura) has their moments in the film too, so everything rounds out quite nicely (although Anton Yelchin's portrayal of Chekhov is a little on the meh side for me).  I'll definitely be picking this one up on Blu-ray.

I think Paramount will probably want to make more movies off this base, but they'll have to be up to the caliber of this movie... another movie like Insurrection or Nemesis just won't cut it now anymore.

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Angela wrote:

Really loved how the coming together of the USS Enterprise was handled; the entire cast was terrific, and they all had pivotal roles that really sparked that necessary group dynamic.   Quinto's Spock and Urban's McCoy were particularly great; Urban seems to have gotten Bones down to a tee.  Also, I liked how..... Nimoy's role wasn't simply cameo fodder, but instead served to further along a crucial plot point.

I was especially surprised (and delighted) at how much humor was imbued into the movie, resulting in a more lively script.  It definitely smacks of that witty-banter Abrams touch.  And the music.  Damn, the music.  As Wanderer states, it probably won't ever happen, but I'd love for them to release a complete score.  If I wasn't smitten with Giacchino's new main theme before, I certainly am now; there are some really nice reprisals that didn't make the soundtrack release, and its contextual use overall borders on pure epic.  Nero's theme is deliciously villainous, too, and has creeped up on me exponentially.

If there's a negative in the film, it's as James said: Nero's backstory and his motivated conflict with Spock doesn't come across as well as it should.  I'll be picking up the Countdown comic series to gain some more insight, but it's a shame they couldn't flesh it out a little more in the film.  One more thing that felt slightly out of place was the implied relationship between Spock and Uhura.  I know they were aiming to strengthen the idea of Vulcan/Human relations, but were they ever an item in the original series? 

The film definitely went over well with my audience. (Heh, there was an isolated incident where the movie stopped short for a good eight second, and some guy in the audience yelled out, "Captain, we've lost transmission!", eliciting laughter from everyone.)   I'll likely see Trek again before its theatrical run is up.  It's a hell of a lot of fun, and really makes for fine cinematic viewing.

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Jodo Kast wrote:

I watched my third movie of the year - Star Trek. This is the best so far, since my familiarity and thus emotional involvement are more relevant. For instance, I knew nothing of the characters in Watchmen, and only slightly more about the characters in Wolverine. But I've known the Star Trek characters for more than 20 years.

What I found most interesting about Star Trek was the interior of the Enterprise, both the bridge and the engine room. The bridge did not surprise me, but the engine room did. Although expansive, it reminded me of the inside of a submarine, in which everything is exposed (the opposite of a commercial airliner). That is very much unlike what we have previously seen (the engine rooms looked similar to the bridge). (I've never watched Deep Space 9 or the newest Star Trek TV show, so I don't know how their engine rooms looked.)

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Wanderer wrote:

I thought it was a lot of fun. Not perfect by any means, though. The movie is so quickly paced that a lot of details get passed by. And certain characters suffer, like Eric Bana's Nero (underwritten). I wasn't thrilled with Chekov either. Underwritten *and* too broad. Of the main cast, only Kirk and Spock come across as fully formed characters. The rest simply don't have enough to do.

Still, where it matters, the film delivered. The production values were sky-high, with effective visuals, sets and music. Aside from a slightly sluggish mid-half (on the ice planet), I was never bored.

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Jay wrote:

As a fan of classic Star Trek, this film had a lot of work to do to win me over, simply even to justify its existence. And, mostly, it did. It's a great sci-fi action movie with (thankfully) plenty of humour.

The main characters work great together. They really managed to put together a varied group of characters who played off each other well, even when some were just given pretty small roles. The small roles weren't a problem for me - after all, there are a lot of characters, a limited running time and many seem to forget that the main characters of the original show were Kirk, Spock and McCoy and the rest were supporting characters.

They weren't the Trek characters I know. In many ways, it wasn't Star Trek as I know it. Well, except for Karl Urban as McCoy.  But I don't think it would have been any better a film had they all tried to be exactly like the originals. As a new group of characters, these guys worked.

As others have mentioned, Nero was the problem here. Their main adversary was weak, underwritten and yet still managed to have his paper-thin back story chew up two lengthy exposition sequences. His story was weak and how it was told was even weaker. He wanted to kill Spock for failing to stop something that would have happened anyway had he not tried. Didn't quite add up.  That, for me, dragged the film a step down from 'fantastic' because the result was that huge events that should have had weight just didn't because I didn't care a damn for or about the villain.

Aside from Nero, there were a huge bunch of contrivances we were asked to look past but none of which spoiled the movie for me. Though it did take me out of it at once point as I wondered why a black hole managed to suck in not one but two ships through time completely unscathed and yet seemingly destroys everything else in the movie. Not a dealbreaker.

Overall, a very enjoyable movie and a new start to a universe which, let's face it, had been kicked to the ground and stomped all over. Star Trek was completely dead. It is now very much alive.

Qui-Gon Joe Nov 16, 2009

I guess I never posted anything about this back when it came out.  I actually saw it opening weekend and totally loved it.  I have the Blu Ray preordered from Amazon, so I can't wait for that to come in.  Should be glorious in 1080p, plus I've read that the bonus stuff is great.  Hooray!

Angela Nov 22, 2009

I spent the weekend perusing the Blu-ray and DVD.  I can't believe I sat through the movie three times: first on Blu, again on DVD, and once more for the commentary track.  It's overkill, but it was an enjoyable kind of overkill. smile

The Blu-ray is fantastic.  In terms of picture quality, it doesn't quite have the slick "wow" factor of Revenge of The Fallen, but that's to be expected for a film like Trek that wasn't shot digitally.  That said, you couldn't ask for a better transfer, and in truth, the anamorphic widescreen results in a far more natural "movie-like" look that many might actually prefer.  The DVD transfer also holds up well, which is surprising, considering they were also able to cram in the commentary, the twenty minute "A New Vision" featurette, and the seven minute gag reel all on the same disc.

If there's one department where Trek succeeds over Fallen, though, it's in the sound department -- and considering how impressive the sound was in Fallen, that's no small achievement.  Both the Blu-ray's Dolby TrueHD 5.1 Lossless and the DVD's Dolby Digital English 5.1 Surround hit their marks consistently.  Maybe it's the choice of sound design itself, but everything just feels better sonically.  Giacchino's music score soars over the incredibly immersive soundscape, and the use of the rear speaker channels is absolutely dope.  Totally apt for a deep-space movie such as this, and by far one of the best audio experiences I've ever heard.

Save for the commentary track, I've yet to delve into the rest of the special features. (I'll save those for the course of this week.)  Let it be known, though, that I'm not a big commentary fan.  In fact, I think the only ones I've ever had the patience to sit through were the three Lord of The Rings and the first two Pirates of the Caribbeans.  This one was definitely worth a listen, though.  It's a five-man team consisting of director, producers and writers, and they've all got fascinating, sometimes quirky insights into the production of the film.  It's information overload at times; in their zeal, they're practically tripping over each other with all the facts and anecdotes they toss out.

Angela Nov 25, 2009

Just got through viewing the entirety of the bonus features.  Trek definitely boasts a fine set of extras, giving a great film its due comeuppance.  Fun, informative, and in-depth; the presence of Nimoy, too, just gives the whole thing a terrific sense of class.  Oh, and seeing Rachel Nichols getting painted green as Gaila is quite the hoot as well.  wink

Honestly, I really haven't bought very many '09 film Blu-rays this year, but of the few that I have (Coraline, Revenge of The Fallen, Up), Star Trek wins just for being the complete package.  By contrast, the extras that Coraline had was just shy of feeling truly substantial.  Revenge of the Fallen has enough content to rival Trek (even more, I think), but it's presented almost as abrasively and superfluous as the movie itself.  Up's features has its heart in the right place, but like so many Pixar bonuses, I find them to be largely interminable by contrast to the entertaining quality of the film itself.

American Nightmare Jun 15, 2010 (edited Jun 15, 2010)

Hey Angela,

In case you haven't heard the news, a couple of weeks ago Varese Sarabande released a 2-CD Deluxe Edition of Giacchino's amazingly awesome score.  It's limited to 5000 copies and already down to fewer than 1500 units remaining.  I'm super excited and can't wait to hear all the cues that weren't included on the first release.

http://www.varesesarabande.com/details. … 410%2D1108


Oh, and it's got sexy packaging, too (new release vs. old release):

www.screenarchives.com/userfiles/images/2010-06/st1.jpg
www.screenarchives.com/userfiles/images/2010-06/st2.jpg

~ Josh

Angela Jun 15, 2010

American Nightmare wrote:

In case you haven't heard the news, a couple of weeks ago Varese Sarabande released a 2-CD Deluxe Edition of Giacchino's amazingly awesome score.  It's limited to 5000 copies and already down to fewer than 1500 units remaining.  I'm super excited and can't wait to hear all the cues that weren't included on the first release.

Hey Josh!  Yeah, the Deluxe Edition was brought up in the June '10 Release Purchases thread. (With thanks to the other Josh. wink)  Thanks for the heads-up all the same; I've got my order secured already!

My only concern is that a number of folks who've already heard the soundtrack are saying the choir sections were removed.  Apparently, this may have been due to Varese not wanting to pay the royalty fees required to include them.  I'm hoping that's not the case, as it would be a shame to continue being deprived of the full choral treatment in "Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns."

American Nightmare Jun 15, 2010 (edited Jun 15, 2010)

Angela wrote:

My only concern is that a number of folks who've already heard the soundtrack are saying the choir sections were removed.  Apparently, this may have been due to Varese not wanting to pay the royalty fees required to include them.  I'm hoping that's not the case, as it would be a shame to continue being deprived of the full choral treatment in "Nero Fiddles, Narada Burns."

Yeah, that's kind of a bummer.  The choir adds a whole other dimension to the experience, and no doubt it's absense considerably lessens the aural and emotional impact of the music.  One guy on the Film Score Monthly forum joked about hiring a choir to record the missing parts for him, so he can dub them into the new release himself. lol

Angela Jun 26, 2010

My copy of the Deluxe Edition Soundtrack arrived yesterday.  I've been jumping between the tracks, but so far, I am loving all the new variations of the Nero and Spock themes.  More opportunities for the erhu to shine in the latter is just fine by me. smile

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