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avatar! Sep 11, 2011

I remember I got to work (school, University) on that morning. I was tired, and was heading to my office when I went through the library. I saw a bunch of people huddled around a TV, but being librarians I thought they were reviewing some new astronomy package/program or something. When I got to the office and checked the news, that's when I actually learned what happened.

Was I shocked, yes, and yet I had read enough reports about the lack of security that I was not surprised that the terrorists managed to attack us here in the US. Although being able to hijack 4 planes is more than I thought they would do. Clearly, they were very well organized and had lots of money. Like most people, I spent the next 3 days watching the news. Being in Boston, I wanted to head on up to NYC and help with what I could, however I study physics not medicine, so they really had no use for me. It was a dramatic moment for the US and for the world I would say.

It was interesting hearing people's responses to what should be done. Most people were certain that Osama would be caught within a few weeks. Some people thought this was the right time to nuke them... them being Afghanistan. Others thought that all Muslims are evil. Other people blamed (at least indirectly) Israel (no matter what happens, it seems like a safe bet to blame Israel) or the US government! By the way, having studied the attacks, gone to hear lectures, etc. I can tell you with 100% certainty, that "Truthers" are entirely in the wrong! The attacks were NOT perpetrated by the US (or any country). If you think they were, you need to take some classes in logic and reasoning. Seriously, I'm not trying to be mean, but Truthers are entirely unscientific and just plain wrong.

One of the scenes that I remember vividly were Palestinians celebrating the attack. I think many of these same sentiments are still held today. Sad, but that's how it is. I don't want to get into any political debate right now, although I do tend to enjoy those, but rather my goal in this post is to get people's thoughts and reactions about 9-11, 10 years later. I think many of us were around then. How did you feel about it? Where were you? What did you do? What are your thoughts now? I think it's important that we never forget what happened. NYC is still a great, amazing, city. Plus, they have the best opera in the world smile

vert1 Sep 11, 2011 (edited Sep 11, 2011)

You mean the Israelis celebrating the scene, right?

avatar! Sep 11, 2011 (edited Sep 11, 2011)

vert1 wrote:

You mean the Israelis celebrating the scene, right?

NO, I meant the Palestinians. Of course, there are websites, such as the one you linked to, that try to blame Israel. Which is also one thing I mentioned in my post, so thanks for showing that not much has changed since 10 years ago.

While we're on the subject, the website you included in your link, also claims the Big Bang never happened and that it's all a conspiracy!

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/bang.php

Yeah... nice load of BS on that website. Anyone who believes that stuff, I would strongly encourage them to get an education. Sadly though, most people who believe in that stuff (such as the Big Bang is a fake, NASA is a fake, etc.) never accept the truth, despite all the mountains of evidence, they just dismiss it under "conspiracy".

edit: Yasser Arafat, even condemned the Palestinian celebrations, and said that such celebrations were not representative of the sentiments of the Palestinian people, and the Information Minister Yasser Abed Rabbo said the PNA would not allow "a few kids" to "smear the real face of the Palestinians".

vert1 Sep 11, 2011 (edited Sep 11, 2011)

Everything in that 9-11 link is well-documented and based on facts. Just sayin.

avatar! Sep 11, 2011 (edited Sep 11, 2011)

vert1 wrote:

“Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.”

source

vert, do you really think just linking a website makes it true? That website is just as accurate as Family Radio which said the world was going to end on May 21st of this year. In other words, both were completely nonsensical and fall apart with any logic and reasoning. You clearly are a person who does not think, or perhaps you just believe you're "too smart" and for some reason know better than others? I really don't care what you think or don't, and frankly from your posts (not just on this thread, but in general across soundtrackcentral) I find you little more than a troll. I'm going to ask you to not post on this thread because I want to hear people's reactions to 9-11, not just conspiracy nonsense.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/e … /article-1

and one LAST thing, that Cossiga hoax is well known:

http://conspiracydebunkers.blogspot.com … a-911.html

I noticed you now deleted it from your post, and replaced it with "Just sayin." I'm saying, 'go away', you have not contributed anything to this thread, except as a troll. Likely you have scared off people who would otherwise actually have written something interesting.

Jay Sep 12, 2011

I've likely told this story before... somewhere around the 20th of September, less than 10 days from the event and the world was still in shock, I was in Germany on business. The only radio station in English was from a local US army base so that's the only place I could get news. A big story hit - they had found definitive proof that the attacks were orchestrated through Iraq with Saddam Hussein. Definitive. 100%. Wow, I didn't see that coming. I came home and the story was... nowhere. That didn't seem right, this was huge news. Where was the analysis? The sound bites? The condemnation? How did Bin Laden fit into all this?

This story that was so big on the troops' radio didn't seem to hit anywhere else. And, obviously (though not at the time - remember it was still very close to the event), it was completely false.

What I wouldn't know until much later, though probably should have seen coming, is that even back then they were priming the troops for an attack on Iraq. Making Iraq the enemy in the eyes of the soldiers, even before the actual reason they'd settle on - WMDs. And I don't know if I buy even the beginning of any conspiracy theories but I can say this from my German experience - there were people, officials up the chain, looking to twist this to their own advantage, deliberately muddying the truth. And, when that happens, how could I possibly trust any story, conspiracy or otherwise?

I don't know what happened on that day the towers went down except for what I saw on television. It was a horrific day, I remember watching on television at the offices of a client. It scared the hell out of me because I thought this was all-out war. I mean, to go that far, I thought this was the start of an attack on the whole country - just the beginning. I thought it would turn out that there were bombs planted everywhere and the destruction would just spread. It didn't. But that didn't make it any less of a tragedy. And visiting the site a few years later, it's like the event was still there. Eerie. Cold. I felt wrong being there - disrespectful, in a way.

Hard to believe it has been 10 years.

avatar! Sep 12, 2011 (edited Sep 12, 2011)

Thanks for the story Jay. That was interesting. I can see people try to blame it on Iraq, but we now know that it was complete BS. No one is trying to blame Iraq anymore, but people are still trying to blame Israel, which is the same BS. In science, you learn that the more hard data you have, the more likely you are to be correct. We have so much information, so much conclusive evidence, that we know it was Al-Qaeda. Although difficult for many Americans to believe, all the attacks and destruction were caused by only 19 individuals, armed with nothing more simple tools (box-cutters, etc). The really sad thing in all this, is that if you do a google search for 9-11, you find an insane amount of conspiracy websites! Of course, if you tell people the same BS over and over again, perhaps they will begin to believe it, which I think is exactly what these conspiracy websites want (indoctrination through repitition). I've also wondered what would happen if Obama was president during 9-11? I bet all the conspiracy theorists would immediately point out that HE was the mastermind behind it all (after all, according to some people, Obama is not even US born! Einstein said it best: "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."

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