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avatar! Nov 13, 2012 (edited Nov 13, 2012)

I know no justice system is perfect. I feel that the justice system here in the US needs a lot of reforming. Yet, as bad as it is, sometimes I read about "justice" in other countries and realize it could be far worse. You would think justice in England would be pretty solid, and yet you get situations like this:

http://news.yahoo.com/radical-cleric-ab … 24165.html

" 'I am completely fed up with the fact that this man is still at large in our country,' Cameron said Tuesday, during a visit to Rome for talks with Italian officials. 'He has no right to be there — we believe he is a threat to our country.' "

What the hell is wrong with the UK, when you have a known terrorist in your country, and you keep him there, free??? Are such situations predominantly in England, or do similar situations occur across Europe?

edit: OK, he's is not "free", but he's not in prison either. One of the main points is that he's still a real threat, and justice has yet to be served. Anyway, this is ridiculous in my opinion.

Razakin Nov 13, 2012

Well, it's not much about the justice system in the UK, more of the fear of him not getting a fair trial in Jordan. Which makes UK judges hesitant to let the goverment to deport him. That's what I got from the news.

Really odd situation though.

avatar! Nov 13, 2012

Razakin wrote:

Well, it's not much about the justice system in the UK, more of the fear of him not getting a fair trial in Jordan. Which makes UK judges hesitant to let the goverment to deport him. That's what I got from the news.

Really odd situation though.

Good point. I was thinking their judicial system is so messed-up, that justice is not being done. Clearly Abu is a terrorist who has financed who knows how much (he was caught with 170,000 pounds cash) to support terror, and now the judicial system is really worried he *might* not get a fair trial?!

I always thought it was the duty of the government (be you a police officer, judge, marine, etc) to look after the welfare of the people, and bring criminals to justice. However, in this case, it appears that the people are taking the back seat and the criminal is "more important" than protecting the innocent! That's how I see it. Makes me ill...

Razakin Nov 14, 2012

avatar! wrote:

Good point. I was thinking their judicial system is so messed-up, that justice is not being done. Clearly Abu is a terrorist who has financed who knows how much (he was caught with 170,000 pounds cash) to support terror, and now the judicial system is really worried he *might* not get a fair trial?!

I always thought it was the duty of the government (be you a police officer, judge, marine, etc) to look after the welfare of the people, and bring criminals to justice. However, in this case, it appears that the people are taking the back seat and the criminal is "more important" than protecting the innocent! That's how I see it. Makes me ill...

Even if they are criminals, civilized nations do require to give them fair trials to be civilized nations. Right? And of course, there's always the 'innocent until proven guilty' principle.

Even if this is odd and frankly fucked up situation, I'm glad that there is people who do fear that a well known? (possible) terrorists won't get a fair trial. I mean, what would be next, regular murderers being lynched without trials in the market square, and after that burglars?

And to be honest, they're protecting the innocent even if Abu Qatada is 'free'. Can't use internet, being under a 16-hour curfew, electronic anklet, and can't see certain people, which I assume are known radical muslism in UK. Probably there's even some MI6 or other agency guys constantly watching his place also.

Jodo Kast Nov 14, 2012

What we need is one of those rail guns. Just put those terrorists on a rail gun and launch 'em into the Pacific Ocean. It'll be a novel and exciting way to die; they'll love it.

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