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vert1 Jun 25, 2014 (edited Jun 25, 2014)

Talk to single women who are in their 30's and not married with kids in America and see how they are to those that do. They are mostly bitter and resentful. \What you've written about me on who I am and what I do is incorrect.

I need to go to Japan.

GoldfishX Jun 25, 2014

vert1 wrote:

He has a history of views that are in line with white supremacy: http://www.alternet.org/story/142563/14 … joe_wilson

You realize you linked me to an explicitly left wing website that has an entire front page politics section about how evil and icky the right side is. In other words, useless link. The topic and issue in that scenario was the extreme partisanship in the matter being discussed and how something that is affecting the entire country was to be decided in its entirety by a single party (and also something that cost the left a ton of seats in the House of Representatives in 2010 because it was handled so poorly). You really don't have any merit trying to make it into a race thing (a VERY annoying tactic frequently used by the left...see Van Jones or Al Sharpton).

And I have no idea what your cryptic 1984 quote means, because you responded to something entirely out of context, so it is just random babbling to me.

Jay Jun 25, 2014

vert1 wrote:

This conversation is very political.

No, not any more. As far as I can see it's about you generalising for 51% of the population and not giving them credit for being actual human beings. At that point, the conversation left political and entered the ridiculous.

Brandon Jun 25, 2014

Amazingu wrote:

I'm not sufficiently aware of how politics work here to comment on how easy it is to remove a politician from power, but we all know the country has seen, what, 6 different prime ministers in 8 years or something?

That's because the Japanese House of Representatives can replace the Prime Minister and his Cabinet at any time, which I believe is fairly typical of parliamentary systems. It's not so easy to remove a member of the Diet. Also, this guy is a member of the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly, which is a different government altogether, but I can't imagine that they can actually remove someone for being a jerk, as that would be prone to abuse for political purposes.

Adam Corn Jun 25, 2014

Just to address a few earlier comments about Japan...

GoldfishX wrote:

Basically, it's a 98% homogenous, conservative, nationalistic society

I wouldn't say they are 98% conservative and certainly not 98% nationalistic.  In fact I'd argue they're less nationalistic than the USA, though it manifests itself in different ways in the two countries, and the nationalistic ultra-conservatives in Japan are such a vocal (and annoying) lot they are more easily noticed than the moderates and liberals.

GoldfishX wrote:

What is slightly odd is it was a liberal democrat that made the comment. The democrats have always been considered the more "pro-women" party in the US, so I wonder if that is the same in Japan.

The LDP are liberal in name only.  From Wikipedia for starters:
"The LDP is Japan's largest political party. It is a conservative party and is made up of various conservative, nationalist and centrist factions. Before 2009, the LDP had been in power almost continuously since 1955, when it was formed as a merger of early postwar Japan's two conservative parties, the Liberal Party of Japan, and the Democrat Party of Japan."

GoldfishX wrote:

That is one thing I greatly admire about Japan, their ability to keep their borders closed.

I'm not sure whether it's admirable when it arguably will contribute to economic malaise and is largely motivated by the desire to remain homogeneous.  But certainly they are efficient at it.

GoldfishX wrote:

I'm wondering if there might have been more to the story between the people.

No extra story, the guy (and his cohorts who joined in) was just being a chauvinist and a bully.

Also I'd really rather we not discuss U.S. politics in this thread unless directly related to the topic as that is a whole other can of worms. smile

Adam Corn Jun 25, 2014

vert1 wrote:

Here is a question for you: How many competitive activities in the world at the highest level are women ranked higher than men?

If you're talking about sports and strength-intensive work then perhaps not that many.  But unless we go back to the Stone Age that's irrelevant.  There have been a number of studies showing that women possess the same qualities required in modern workplaces as men - perhaps not enough to show conclusively in hard numbers whether one gender is more adept at something than another (for the few who would demand such data) but enough to make the question moot.

vert1 wrote:

I never wrote people cannot do whatever they want to do with their lives or that I am going to go to Japan and control their women. What is offensive to others is that I am writing that people should do certain things with their lives.

Yes, it's offensive to most everyone here the you feel you have the right to tell people what they should do with their lives, especially to tell women that as a rule they should bear children, when that is a responsibility that you yourself will never have to face.

vert1 wrote:

Most women who don't get married and have kids feel empty about themselves. They feel shamed.

You really shouldn't make statements like that without having hard evidence to back it, not just your own limited experience.

vert1 wrote:
jb wrote:

Posting questions for other people to answer isn't meaningful contribution or conversation.

Making people reflect on what they are writing through questions is meaningful. Have you not heard of sages? Socrates? Questions lead to deeper truths.

I'm in agreement with the others that your list of questions was mostly passing off responsibility for explaining your rather controversial statements.

vert1 wrote:

I don't have first-hand information from Japan. But that logic leads to "if you are not Japanese who are you to judge?" which would lead the board to silence.

No, it leads to "If you don't have knowledge of the topic at hand then who are you to judge?"  You were going out of your way to defend this guy based on your own idea of a custom, which wasn't accurate to that of the society in question.

Apart from the matter of your viewpoints in this thread (which like others here I generally disagree with) is the problem that you seem to go all over the place with your arguments - one sentence defending something, the next decrying it, pulling up examples that are only marginally related and quotes out of nowhere.  For having such controversial statements to make, your way of presenting them isn't helping your position any.

As for everyone else, I understand your dislike for some of the things being said but let's try as much as possible to address them directly instead of attacking the person in question.

longhairmike Jun 26, 2014

how did i wind up in the Mississippi tea-party forum

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