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avatar! Sep 1, 2015 (edited Sep 1, 2015)

I'm wondering if there's a push among some Ubisoft "higher-ups" to covertly try and destroy the company and gaming in general?

I only ask because it seems like anytime they have potentially decent games (Might and Magic, Heroes of Might and Magic, Beyond Good and Evil, Child of Light) do they their best to make it as difficult to play as possible. To be fair, they finally released a physical version of Child of Light and the platform they choose is... Vita? Ugh, but of course the real issue is their computer-destroying DRM = games are basically unplayable which wouldn't be so bad if the games I want to play (Might and Magic for example) were available in anything other than PC, but for some asinine reason IT IS NOT!!  This article pretty much sums up my opinion of Ubisoft

http://www.nag.co.za/2014/07/08/5-reaso … oft-sucks/

Oh, and let's not forget that they pretty much just release Assassin's Creed games now anyway. Mmmm, since 2007 I believe no less than 15 AC games have been released. The next one, coming soon (Liberation) apparently has at least five different editions coming out (regular, Gold, blah blah)... what ever happened to just having one version out for gamers? And since this is Ubisoft and AC, I'm sure all the bugs will be extremely entertaining!

http://kotaku.com/assassins-creed-unity … 1657939797

Well, maybe bugs are actually a positive for them?

Also, maybe my anger will abate a bit if Ubisoft releases a decent version of Beyond Good and Evil 2, but since this is Ubisoft I'm skeptical. Oh, and I haven't touched a Might and Magic game since Heroes V, I wholeheartedly blame the blackhearts at Ubisoft for keeping me away from one of my favorite series...

TerraEpon Sep 1, 2015

I bought Child of Light on Steam, then pirated it to avoid uPlay.

I make no apologies for that.

avatar! Sep 1, 2015

TerraEpon wrote:

I bought Child of Light on Steam, then pirated it to avoid uPlay.

I make no apologies for that.

big_smile

Amazingu Sep 1, 2015

I suppose you're on PC then? I've never had trouble buying any of their games (and I've never encountered that many bugs either, but I tend to wait until they've ironed most of them out), but I only play on consoles.

They've sure got their share of problems, but nowadays Konami is much MUCH worse, because at least Ubisoft still gives a damn, no matter how small.
Also, they've done lots of stuff outside of the yearly AC games, and most of it is quite good.

I understand why they get so much hate, but I've never had problems with them.

avatar! Sep 2, 2015 (edited Sep 2, 2015)

Amazingu wrote:

They've sure got their share of problems, but nowadays Konami is much MUCH worse

Wait... Konami is still around??

Amazingu wrote:

Also, they've done lots of stuff outside of the yearly AC games, and most of it is quite good.

Yeah, such as what? What good games have they released in the past couple of years, other than Child of Light? Oh, they did release Might and Magic X, but with uplay it's unplayable (how nicely ironic).

TerraEpon Sep 2, 2015

Well there's Rayman Legends too.

FWIW.

avatar! Sep 2, 2015

TerraEpon wrote:

Well there's Rayman Legends too.

FWIW.

Oh yes, that's right. So, Rayman Legends and Child of Light amidst numerous Creed crapola. OK, any other game?

Ashley Winchester Sep 2, 2015

avatar! wrote:

Wait... Konami is still around??

Well, MGSV launched the other day... but beyond that they're pretty hinted that they're pretty much done with AAA game development. So yeah, pretty much done. Can't help but think good riddance to bad rubbish at this point...? Do feel bad their franchises will probably be milked dry for their gambling angle however.

avatar! wrote:

Yeah, such as what? What good games have they released in the past couple of years, other than Child of Light? Oh, they did release Might and Magic X, but with uplay it's unplayable (how nicely ironic).

I kind of agree with both of you on this. Ubisoft has released other games other than AC (Watch Dogs, Rayman) but at the same time I don't believe I've ever actually bought one myself nor am I really interested in buying any... and it's not because Ubisoft has some terrible customer practices/talks way too much (expletive) but because nothing in their catalog really appeals to me.

Ashley Winchester Sep 2, 2015

avatar! wrote:

You know, I had forgotten about Konami's PT debacle...

http://kotaku.com/konami-sucks-1702695162

There's actually quite a bit about MGSV and it's development/release that's suspect as well.

Konami just can't win in the eyes of fans, or it's previous fans... not that they should win mind you.

Amazingu Sep 2, 2015

avatar! wrote:

Wait... Konami is still around??

Touché!

avatar! wrote:

Also, they've done lots of stuff outside of the yearly AC games, and most of it is quite good.

Rayman Origins and Legends, as has been mentioned, Valiant Hearts (all of their UbiArt Framework games are quite good), Far Cry 3 (Vanilla and Blood Dragon!) and 4, Splinter Cell Blacklist (depending on who you ask. I didn't like it, but it got very good scores), and hey you know what, the AC games aren't actually bad AT ALL, especially Black Flag was really great and considered so by many many people. Rogue is supposedly also very good, although I haven't played it. I liked Unity well enough though.

YOU may not like these games, but that doesn't mean Ubisoft has been making nothing but shit.

Ashley Winchester Sep 2, 2015

Amazingu wrote:

and hey you know what, the AC games aren't actually bad AT ALL, especially Black Flag was really great and considered so by many many people. Rogue is supposedly also very good, although I haven't played it. I liked Unity well enough though.

I've never played an AC nor do I really have the interest... but I have to admit for some strange reason I kind of worry about that franchise being milked too much... like a "too much of a good thing" angle I guess...?

I don't understand why I feel that way, not like a personal stake in its success or anything.

avatar! Sep 3, 2015

Ashley Winchester wrote:

I've never played an AC nor do I really have the interest... but I have to admit for some strange reason I kind of worry about that franchise being milked too much... like a "too much of a good thing" angle I guess...?

You're not the only one at all.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/07/15/ … es-3384080

"The stories in the AC franchise have been typically repetitive and reductive. Ubisoft haven't been able to find a character as compelling as Ezio to lead the franchise in a long time and they refuse to change up the gameplay formula in any meaningful way."

Amazingu Sep 3, 2015 (edited Sep 3, 2015)

avatar! wrote:
Ashley Winchester wrote:

I've never played an AC nor do I really have the interest... but I have to admit for some strange reason I kind of worry about that franchise being milked too much... like a "too much of a good thing" angle I guess...?

You're not the only one at all.

http://moviepilot.com/posts/2015/07/15/ … es-3384080

"The stories in the AC franchise have been typically repetitive and reductive. Ubisoft haven't been able to find a character as compelling as Ezio to lead the franchise in a long time and they refuse to change up the gameplay formula in any meaningful way."

Oh they're definitely releasing WAY too many games in this series, and the story is usually a throwaway generic affair, but I do end up enjoying the games themselves most of the time, as long as I don't play them in quick succession.

avatar! Oct 22, 2015

http://www.cnet.com/news/ubisoft-vows-t … nvestment/

"We're going to fight to preserve our independence... Our best defense is to stay focused on what we have always done best--deliver the most original and memorable gaming experiences."

I love a good joke smile
Although he may be right about Vivendi, but all I've seen them do in years is destroy some beloved franchises and continue to produce drivel. As an example, the new Assassin's Creed game (I've lost track of how many of these there are now): "Assassin’s Creed Syndicate Early Review Claims It Is A Technical Mess"
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/10/assass … ical-mess/
I'm beginning to wonder if Ubisoft now considers bugs a form of art?

Amazingu Oct 22, 2015

avatar! wrote:

As an example, the new Assassin's Creed game (I've lost track of how many of these there are now): "Assassin’s Creed Syndicate Early Review Claims It Is A Technical Mess"
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/10/assass … ical-mess/
I'm beginning to wonder if Ubisoft now considers bugs a form of art?

Link doesn't seem to be valid.
Which pretty much proves that it's probably correct.

avatar! Oct 22, 2015

Amazingu wrote:
avatar! wrote:

As an example, the new Assassin's Creed game (I've lost track of how many of these there are now): "Assassin’s Creed Syndicate Early Review Claims It Is A Technical Mess"
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2015/10/assass … ical-mess/
I'm beginning to wonder if Ubisoft now considers bugs a form of art?

Link doesn't seem to be valid.
Which pretty much proves that it's probably correct.

Ha! well, the link seems to work fine for me.

Dragonfish Dog Oct 22, 2015 (edited Oct 22, 2015)

avatar! wrote:
TerraEpon wrote:

I bought Child of Light on Steam, then pirated it to avoid uPlay.

I make no apologies for that.

big_smile

I downloaded it on PS3, when it was on sale for something like $4.75.
It's an okay game, but it's not worth full price.
I didn't experience any glitches with it.

There's definitely at least one reason I don't get into the Assassin's Creed games. There are so many of them, and multiple versions of the same game, I don't want to end up buying multiple versions of the same game. I really don't know which games I should buy, and which games not to.

Amazingu Oct 22, 2015

avatar! wrote:

Ha! well, the link seems to work fine for me.

Never mind, must have been a problem with my home PC, it works fine on my work PC for some reason.

So yeah, business as usual for Ubisoft, it seems.
To be fair though, I really like the AC games, it's just that you shouldn't play them until about 1 year after they're released. At that point they should probably be actually complete.

Dragonfish Dog wrote:

There's definitely at least one reason I don't get into the Assassin's Creed games. There are so many of them, and multiple versions of the same game, I don't want to end up buying multiple versions of the same game. I really don't know which games I should buy, and which games not to.

Not sure what you mean by "multiple versions of the same game." They don't have any director's cuts or GOTY editions as far as I'm aware, so the chances of you buying the same game twice should be negligible.
I think AC2 is generally considered the best one, followed by 4 (Black Flag). Rogue is apparently pretty good too.
I personally quite liked Unity too, but I made sure to wait until they patched it into an actually complete game.

Amazingu Oct 23, 2015

avatar! wrote:
Amazingu wrote:

Not sure what you mean by "multiple versions of the same game." They don't have any director's cuts or GOTY editions as far as I'm aware

Assassins Creed II: Game of The Year
http://www.amazon.co.uk/video-games/dp/B003XU6U5S

Assassin's Creed 4: Black Flag GOTY Edition announced
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014- … -announced
Although this was a while ago...?

Wow, I was not aware of those.
Still, I think there's a lot of criticism you can aim at the AC series, but there being "multiple versions of the same game" is not one of them. Falcom and Capcom are much bigger offenders in this regard.

avatar! Oct 24, 2015

Amazingu wrote:

Wow, I was not aware of those.
Still, I think there's a lot of criticism you can aim at the AC series, but there being "multiple versions of the same game" is not one of them. Falcom and Capcom are much bigger offenders in this regard.

They all pale in comparison to Square. Those guys release the same game so many times, it's ridiculous.

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/s/square-eni … 00708.html

"Square Enix has said it intends to "revitalise" its strongest properties to "meet the needs of the modern gaming market," indicating the Final Fantasy 7 remake announced at E3 2015 is the first of many."
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raynebc Oct 24, 2015

Unlike Kingdom Hearts, I'm not very keen on re-buying much at all in regards to Final Fantasy games (FF7 being an exception of course).

jb Oct 24, 2015

I'm not necessarily opposed to remakes, remasters or reissues since I'm not really a gamer. I'd venture to guess that's their intentions when they do things like that -- hit wider audiences == more revenue.

However, the multiple same day editions and console or vendor specific bonus content shit is a little dumb. Case and point: 27 same day versions of fallout 4? Seriously? https://twitter.com/bethesdastudios/sta … 7364398080

Ashley Winchester Oct 24, 2015

jb wrote:

However, the multiple same day editions and console or vendor specific bonus content shit is a little dumb. Case and point: 27 same day versions of fallout 4? Seriously? https://twitter.com/bethesdastudios/sta … 7364398080

I don't see the point of complaining about this... the gaming community allowed this to happen with their dumb purchasing habits.

Qui-Gon Joe Oct 24, 2015

avatar! wrote:

They all pale in comparison to Square. Those guys release the same game so many times, it's ridiculous.

While I'm too lazy right now to actually go count the number of versions of Ys I and II out there, did you even read the word Falcom in the sentence you quoted or did you just ignore the six hundred or so versions of those games in favor of taking pot shots at Square?

And for the record, I have really no great problem in classics being remade for modern platforms.

avatar! Oct 24, 2015 (edited Oct 24, 2015)

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

While I'm too lazy right now to actually go count the number of versions of Ys I and II out there, did you even read the word Falcom in the sentence you quoted or did you just ignore the six hundred or so versions of those games in favor of taking pot shots at Square?

And for the record, I have really no great problem in classics being remade for modern platforms.

That may be true in Japan (lots of Ys remakes) but not true here in the USA. There was the original Ys on TurboDuo which 2 people got to play and really enjoyed. The rest of us had to to wait and choose between the inferior DS version or the PSP version. So, basically two choices here in North America. That is a far fary cry from "six hundred or so versions".

jb wrote:

However, the multiple same day editions and console or vendor specific bonus content shit is a little dumb. Case and point: 27 same day versions of fallout 4? Seriously? https://twitter.com/bethesdastudios/sta … 7364398080

Yeah, that also applies for Assassin's Creed. I can understand having a limited edition and a regular edition, but now it seems like Ubi loves to have the limited, extra-limited, super-limited, and uber-limited. Oh, and the regular edition. Maybe Bethesda is following Ubi's lead. Still, I will admit that I have much more respect for Bethesda. Even with all their limited editions of Fallout 4, and even with the inevitable bugs, they still carefully and lovingly craft a game that will entrance players. Look, Fallout 3 came out in 2008. They've been working on Fallout 4 for years! If Fallout was owned by Ubi, we'd be looking at Fallout 13 about now.

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