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avatar! Nov 24, 2015 (edited Nov 24, 2015)

Do people remember when games used to sell out because they were popular? Hey, you might think this is the case with the special edition of FIre Emblem. I assure you, this is not the case. It's sold out because people preorder huge amounts and then plan to turn around and make a killing on ebay and amazon... grrrr!

and yes, there are people dumb enough to already pay asinine amounts for it

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Fire-Emblem-Fat … 1831392240

My hope is that Nintendo makes a lot of these. After all, a "special" edition is not necessarily the same as a "limited edition".

Qui-Gon Joe Nov 24, 2015

avatar! wrote:

My hope is that Nintendo makes a lot of these. After all, a "special" edition is not necessarily the same as a "limited edition".

NoA has been kinda hit or miss with LEs lately - some of them are crazy limited like the Hyrule Warriors one, but like the Xenoblade X one kept going in out of stock forever at all the major retailers.  I'm hoping the Fire Emblem one ends up being more like the latter, as I know a bunch of people interested in it.

Ashley Winchester Nov 25, 2015

avatar! wrote:

and yes, there are people dumb enough to already pay asinine amounts for it.

Yeah, I wish people wouldn't buy things just because they know they can flip them for a profit and let the people who really want them obtain them... but it's an unfortunate side of the market place.

This reminds me of one year my mother wanted me to do this with some popular Christmas toys... and I really had no desire to stoop to that level. Not to paint her in a bad light, but I can't help but find it odd I had a higher sense of personal conduct than her in that situation considering she's 20 some years older than me.

I know this "practice" can be seen as "smart" and "savvy" but those aren't the adjectives I'd use even though it's obviously not illegal.

TerraEpon Nov 25, 2015

A lot of people would call it 'capitalism'

The worst problem is really when people make an order in good faith from a site that supposedly will give you a copy....then it's cancelled. It's happened multiple times (I know Ni no Kuni was one)

avatar! Nov 25, 2015

TerraEpon wrote:

A lot of people would call it 'capitalism'

The worst problem is really when people make an order in good faith from a site that supposedly will give you a copy....then it's cancelled. It's happened multiple times (I know Ni no Kuni was one)

Well, in terms of Ni no Kuni apparently some company in Canada (notice that "capitalism" is not a sole US commodity) purchased basically the entire stock and then quickly resold them all for 3-4 times the original cost. I know that's not technically illegal, but somehow I almost feel it should be.

avatar! Feb 24, 2016

As is often the case, scalpers buy a crapload of games and are reselling them for 2-3 times retail. Average price on ebay right now is $210. I say screw that shit, and screw Nintendo for screwing it's fans too hmm

FuryofFrog Feb 24, 2016

I personally refuse to buy 1/3 of the game. Special Edition or bust. Originally I was ok with them doing a Blue/Red style thing but having access to both games plus a 3rd campaign is simply ridiculous. Most silly.

avatar! Feb 24, 2016

FuryofFrog wrote:

I personally refuse to buy 1/3 of the game. Special Edition or bust. Originally I was ok with them doing a Blue/Red style thing but having access to both games plus a 3rd campaign is simply ridiculous. Most silly.

Seems like a ploy to get more money. Why release a game at full price, when you can release 1/3 of a game at full price! Basically the Special Edition is the complete game, which is what we should have received in the first place... grrrr....

Ashley Winchester Feb 24, 2016

FuryofFrog wrote:

I personally refuse to buy 1/3 of the game. Special Edition or bust. Originally I was ok with them doing a Blue/Red style thing but having access to both games plus a 3rd campaign is simply ridiculous. Most silly.

Kind of surprised no one is talking about the removal of "the rubbing game"

Qui-Gon Joe Feb 24, 2016

I originally thought this was a Pokemon version type deal, but my understanding from talking to friends who are FE fans is that each of the boxed copies are completely separate, full-length games.  One is apparently a more modern design and one is more old school.  The third scenario IS a shorter expansion to the story.  Neither one of the retail releases seem to be "1/3 of a game," though.  As I'm not a Fire Emblem fan, I can't really put my own opinion in there, but my understanding is that this situation is like getting two full release games in stores at once.

...for what it's worth!

Amazingu Feb 24, 2016

TerraEpon wrote:

A lot of people would call it 'capitalism'

I think you'll find most people call it "scalping" actually

avatar! Feb 25, 2016

I don't understand the point of releasing three full games of a series at once? How would people react if Nintendo released three Zelda games -same plot different scenarios, all at once? All the games can fit on one cartridge, but even if they're not 1/3 of a game each, this smells like a ploy for people to spend as much money as possible. You could argue that's what companies do, but I would argue it's a company's responsibility to keep their customers happy. Why did Nintendo not release one of the games now, and the other one later?

The_Paladin Feb 25, 2016

Or they could have, upon seeing the preorders on the item sell out fast, made more copies and extended the preorder.  That almost makes too much sense.

Qui-Gon Joe Feb 25, 2016 (edited Feb 25, 2016)

avatar! wrote:

How would people react if Nintendo released three Zelda games -same plot different scenarios, all at once?

Funny you should mention that - Oracle of Seasons and Ages seem like the perfect comparison here.  Two completely different games developed and released at the same time that have overlap with each other and playing both lead to a third scenario.  While not exactly the same, it's pretty darn similar and those games were both very good.

FuryofFrog Feb 25, 2016

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:

I originally thought this was a Pokemon version type deal, but my understanding from talking to friends who are FE fans is that each of the boxed copies are completely separate, full-length games.  One is apparently a more modern design and one is more old school.  The third scenario IS a shorter expansion to the story.  Neither one of the retail releases seem to be "1/3 of a game," though.  As I'm not a Fire Emblem fan, I can't really put my own opinion in there, but my understanding is that this situation is like getting two full release games in stores at once.

...for what it's worth!

Conquest and Birthright are supposed to have the same missions I believe up until the 6th mission and then the games diverge into separate territory, each chronicling the story of the warring Nohr or Hoshido factions. Revelations is like the epilogue expansion to both games.

Maybe saying 1/3 is a bit too extreme, but I would argue that if the cartridge can hold all 3 campaigns, and they make it available on one cartridge why do they not consider it just one game?

If it had some kind of gimmick like in Ages and Seasons where completing one would give a code to the other to unlock Revelations that would be cool, provided of course the Full version of Fates didn't exist. Or if you could trade members of your faction from one game to another and perhaps unlock additional dialog scenes or something, that would also be cool.

In response to the petting mini-game, I have no real interest in it personally, but I still wish they would have kept it out of principle alone. Treehouse localizes games, fine that is cool. Japanese jokes need to be siphoned through and turned into something an American audience can make sense of *see awesome translation/localization of the Phoenix Wright games*. I don't like the idea of having something that was originally in the game stripped out. Changing ages is ok, tweaking dialog is good but taking something out to me seems like robbing the game.

It mostly doesn't affect me but I am sick of being sold the inferior version of the product. *see Yakuza localization*

avatar! Feb 25, 2016 (edited Feb 25, 2016)

Qui-Gon Joe wrote:
avatar! wrote:

How would people react if Nintendo released three Zelda games -same plot different scenarios, all at once?

Funny you should mention that - Oracle of Seasons and Ages seem like the perfect comparison here.  Two completely different games developed and released at the same time that have overlap with each other and playing both lead to a third scenario.  While not exactly the same, it's pretty darn similar and those games were both very good.

I feel the Oracle games are just like the last two Zelda games for the 3DS in the sense that many fans didn't really bat an eyelash over them and I think most are waiting for the big deal, namely the next gen Zelda (and not another HD release of a previous game)!

Anyway, as Paladin said, if Nintendo had any brains they would have seen that it quickly sold out (purchased by scalpers) and would have produced more. Instead Nintendo probably thinks "ho ho ho, we sold out! our fans are happy" when in reality the fans are pissed. On amazon the game has a rating of 2/5 stars because fans are so pissed at Nintendo. I've never seen that for a console game before. Sure, EA games get (deservedly so) low ratings because of their DRM, but I've never seen such a thing for a Nintendo game. Say what you will, I think Nintendo deserves the bad feedback and maybe they'll get their act together.

http://www.amazon.com/Fire-Emblem-Fates … 017W16ZDK/

Qui-Gon Joe Feb 25, 2016

Oh I certainly won't argue about the stupidity of producing too few collector's editions of anything.  I'm STILL bitter about not being able to get a PS3 Collector's Edition of FFXIV months and months and months before the game came out (ended up getting the PS4 version eventually).  I can understand not wanting to do more print runs of something that might just sit on shelves, but if people are preordering something, just make more!  I'm ALREADY stressed about the implication that Yomawari is going to be hard to grab a physical copy of due to how few NISA is going to make.  hmm

The_Paladin Feb 25, 2016

I had already gotten in my preorder, but unlike Nintendo, NISA opened up more copies for preorder on Nights of Azure when it filled up much quicker than previous limited editions have.  So, while NISA can make small LE runs for some games, I think it does a better job than many other companies.

XISMZERO Feb 26, 2016

The same eBay scumbags got dicked trying to hoard copies of the "rare" crappy Devil's Third, equally asshatted people were paying $70/80 for it and boom another batch comes out for MSRP. Same crap with the Amiibos in shortage. Best thing for any company is to make more and screw this market gaming nonsense.

Seems to be a theme with Nintendo and limited editions going back to the Majora's Mask 3DS preorder crisis going hand-in-hand with today's poisonous collector's/gaming market of making newly released/in-print things rare right when it comes out.

The best thing to do in this case is for the useless eBay and other major reseller platforms to see the opportunity at hand and take 80-90% of the closing fees from every auction of any hot, limited item. This should've happened when Pepsi Perfect came out. That'll punch a big fat hole in many reseller's schemes.

avatar! Feb 27, 2016

XISMZERO wrote:

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The best thing to do in this case is for the useless eBay and other major reseller platforms to see the opportunity at hand and take 80-90% of the closing fees from every auction of any hot, limited item. This should've happened when Pepsi Perfect came out. That'll punch a big fat hole in many reseller's schemes.

I certainly agree with you about how companies such as Nintendo should make more copies. Seems to me that stores such as amazon should limit such items to one per address. I think that's the best way to limit scalpers. Not sure what you mean by 80-90% of the closing fees? If you're implying that ebay should take 80% of a sale, no one would sell anything on ebay. Scalpers would find other platforms to sell on.

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