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GoldfishX Oct 29, 2007

First time going to a midnight launch. It was a pretty awesome feeling...About 80 people showed up and it ranged from "Yeah, can't wait to do Fire and Flames on Expert with Hyperspeed" to "OMFG, how do you even DO hard mode!?" to "My boyfriend dragged me out here for Halo 3, I'm doing the same for GH" So about an hour of that, they started letting people go in. I was stuck at the back of the line, so it took another good hour to get up and get my copy (PS2 version) Interesting note: Everyone buying a bundle got either the Wii version or (especially) the 360 version. No one got the PS3 bundle.

So far, I've done the obligatory "unlock everything for Quick Play" on medium and I've started hitting some of the ones I was looking forward to on hard, so I'm looking forward to officially getting my hands dirty from here on out. Can't put my finger on the speeds...I know Medium is faster than it used to be, but then "Rock You Like a Hurricane" on hard (a fifth tier song), I had to alt-strum because the notes were coming too fast to single strum, which never happened in GH2 or 80's.

Angela wrote:

The Tom Morello Guitar Battle threw me for a loop, though; I lost the first time, simply because I wasn't sure what I was doing. My best advice: use every attack power-up that you receive straight away once Tom starts his sections.

That's about the gist of it. If I get a whammy or string break, I wait for a section where I can screw him up from getting a power-up, but I just dump a difficulty boost or 2X notes as soon as possible because they're not useful VS the CPU. I did the three battles on medium...The final one's a real bitch though. You don't get any power-ups until close to 2 minutes into the match and I don't think there are enough power-ups or notes to kill the final boss without luck. Hopefully that's not the case on hard. And on top of that, "Devil Went Down to Georgia" is not available outside of battle. Overall, I chalk the battles up as an idea that shouldn't have left the planning stages or at least need to be refined quite a bit...Dying from the Death Drain instead of, oh say, looping the song and continuing the battle is really lame. It even looks half-assed when it happens. On the plus side, I really liked Morello's original piece.

The new interface is a nice touch, with things looking sleeker all around.  The venues look great, but the new character modeling took a hit in my opinion; they just look more fugly, and the animation, at least in the PS2 version, becomes a bit herky-jerky at times.  And that damned string pull sound every time a message comes up (like the confirmations during auto-save, for instance) has become nerve-grating.  I simply turned off auto-saving this time, largely because the saves seem to take an unusually long time this time around.

The cast looks like it got beat with an ugly stick. Izzy's design (and maybe Lars) is probably the only one that resembles his GH2 design in any tasteful way. And Midori is actually kind of creepy...She looks like a guy in badly designed drag. And less mention of the singer, the better. I think "neanderthal" about covers it. I thought the string-pull sound was someone yelling "shit" off-camera on Youtube and it still sounds like it. Really annoying. And I kind of miss the board shake when I activate star power. It's going to throw me off going back to GH2.

On the plus side, the storyline (especially towards the end) is funny and the venues are pretty cool (and not just minor cosmetic changes, like 80's was).

Ryu Oct 29, 2007

^ Hm, so overall, what do you think of Neversoft's work compared to Harmonix?  Did they do the Guitar Hero franchise justice or not?

GoldfishX Oct 29, 2007 (edited Oct 29, 2007)

Fine with me...Game still plays like a charm, HOPO's couldn't be easier and the patterns are extremely fresh compared to the pretty stale 80's ones (*stares down 'I Wanna Rock' and 'Holy Diver'*), so it's definitely an improvement there. I think overall, GH3 and GH2 have an equal number of songs I'm going to enjoy replaying and an equal amount I'll remain indifferent to (Barracuda is the only song I've really hated doing thus far), but GH3 hasn't sunk in yet either and there's a lot there I'm not greatly familiar with (a lot of very recent material...2006/2007 stuff). If I could, I'd prefer GH2's interface/design with large gems/star power activations/character designs, but it's nitpicking. The only real fly in the ointment are the battles (and the lack of a non-battle "Devil Went Down to Georgia")and mercifully, there's only three of them. That, and I think this franchise will really take off once they get DLC sorted out...I'd love to toss a lot more 80's/shred stuff into the mix. They got the foundation down good, so I guess the rest boils down to the songlist.

And all I have to say about that is: WELCOME TO THE JUNGLE!

GoldfishX Oct 30, 2007 (edited Oct 30, 2007)

Okay, other things I'm finding out:

-Expert kills you extremely fast. I missed a wave and a half of notes at the end of "Rock You Like a Hurricane" and it killed me when I was sitting at close to the green. Ouch! Can't even get to the scream in "Number of the Beast" on expert, but I cleared it my first time on hard (though I was surprised/let-down half the song was nothing but the same 3-note chord).

-Conversely, Expert moves at a different speed than hard. Which, due to the new, more lenient hit detection, is more a blessing than anything. As long as you hit the note before it passes, it's harder to miss it. Several times, I hit a pattern and I look up and I'm shocked to see my streak still alive. I imagine it will be tricky for people who start at GH3 to go back to the previous games. This is, of course, balanced out by the fact there are a lot more notes overall than the other modes. Makes me want to try using Hyper Speed when playing hard.

-"Impulse" is sort of like the new "Jordan"...A multi-faced instrumental beast, composed solely for the game that isn't bad on anything except Expert. Not as intimidating as Jordan, but things get hairy around 67% on expert...I think I blinked and I was staring at a game over screen.

-Overall, I like the bonus songs a lot more than I did the majority of GH2's. Favorites so far are "She Bangs the Drums" (awesome pattern), "Impulse" and "Radio Song". Need to explore them closer though, but they sounded good for the most part.

Angela Oct 30, 2007

Slash took me out seven times on Hard before I was able to nail him, all times with that dreaded Death Drain.  I think I got lucky the fifth time when I knew when his final solo was coming up, and I laid waste with the three power-ups I had on him.  I ain't looking forward to Lou. o_O 

But yeah, Welcome To The Jungle is EPIC.  It's not as difficult as I thought it was going to be on Hard, and I was able to get a perfect note streak on my second time through the song - but it feels absolutely awesome to play, and is one of the golden reasons why everyone should experience this series.  The musical journey up to Tier 5 was quite fun, too.  I rather like Barracuda's "Bonanza"-esque bass line, and Paranoid is enjoyable if somewhat repetitive in its note pattern -- but at least it's one of those tolerable time length pieces.... god, I'm still sore with Story of My Life.  Rock You Like A Hurricane is an instant guilty-pleasure, and.... I'd likely be in the minority for saying this, but I thought Vanessa Carlton's more rockin' version of Paint It Black would've made for a much better fit here.

I'm about to polish off Hard Mode, and then I plan to co-mingle with Medium and Expert.  Of the bonus songs, I only tried Radio Song and She Bangs The Drums, both of which are excellent.

Carl Nov 1, 2007

I finally picked up an axe last weekend, along with rocks the 80s to start with.  (Had only played GHII twice before on demos.)

Breezed through Medium Tour with mostly 85 percents and 4 stars, but then switched to Hard and barely hung on and started getting my ass kicked big time.

Medium is great because it's still loads of fun, without all the aches and carpeltunel in the wrists that you start feeling on hard.

I think I'll stick with the fun-factor on these titles without worrying about completist 100%s or mastering insane fretwork.

GoldfishX Nov 1, 2007

That's been the most common complaint by just about everyone I've talked to...The jump from medium to hard. Between the orange fret, added notes/chords and speed increase, it can be painful. For me, it's been gradual...I had to get used to the speed (mostly by playing "Strutter" in II), then sliding my four fingers along the five frets and it took awhile before it felt natural and I could reliably even clear hard songs. Hard is probably right about where my skill level is, but I'm also not beating myself up to get 100% or jump into expert on the higher level songs. Although, getting to the point where I'm not really playing for survival and playing more for a higher score was when the game really started to click...Medium drives me nuts now because there's not enough notes to use the star power on and it's significantly slower than hard/expert.

For Rock the 80's, try "I Wanna Rock" on hard a few times...The solo aside, it's nothing but straightforward chords (really nice if you're just getting a feel for hitting tons of chords) and it doesn't even change much on expert (though the solo gets nasty). It'd probably be a tier 1 song on any of the other GH games (it's probably about the same as "Metal Health", difficulty-wise). Overall, Rock the 80's is probably the easiest game in the series and a good place to start out. At least until you hit "Electric Eye" and "Seventeen".

James O Nov 2, 2007

I still can't find a copy of the PS3 bundle for GHIII in Edmonton.... kinda irkin me, because my friend found a 360 copy easily last Sunday.  but I still have Zelda Phantom Hourglass to finish and PW3 to play thru also so I got plenty to do heh.

GoldfishX Nov 15, 2007

Okay, not exactly Guitar Hero, but close...DLC announced for Rock Band with pricing: … ws;title;0

They won some points from me for adding "Ballroom Blitz" (but NOT the awesome Krokus cover in Rock the 80's...damn!), "Flirtin' With Disaster" and "Run to the Hills" to the main set when I wasn't looking, but I'd say that Metallica pack is looking pretty sweet right about now. Vocals, guitars AND drums to play...on "Ride the Lightning" and "Justice for All"!? Very nice. And I desperately look forward to watching Youtube idiots belting out "Joker and the Thief".

Not ready to drop the money on it yet, but I'm definitely interested in what they announce as far as more DLC.

GoldfishX Jul 2, 2008 (edited Jul 2, 2008)

I value my fingers too much. Good lord...I actually didn't know there was a 100% run.

I picked up GH Aerosmith (almost as much to get a decent guitar for the 360 as for the game, so I can retire my Rock Band Fender and its' retarded strum bar/non-registering tilt sensor). It's decent...I'm starting on expert this time and the difficulty is nowhere near III (they don't feel the need to throw random 3-note chords in at every opportunity, thank least not yet).

Not a whole lot to report. I only know a handful of Aerosmith songs and what I've heard/played is decent enough. True to form with both Last Child and Same Old Song and Dance in II and III though...A lot of Aerosmith songs are just painfully repetitive and GH tends to bring that out to spotlight pretty badly. Sweet Emotion is a blast to play and so was No Surprize (the main riff is mad fun to hit!). Need to do Tier 4 and above later tonight.

$70 for the guitar, $30 for about 41 songs...I'm fine with that.

Ryu Jul 2, 2008

^ I hated the Rock Band guitar controller... it's garbage.  I'm curious how the Rock Band 2 controller will be, or even the Guitar Hero World Tour one.  Actually, I guess the latter one is more important because Activision is so pathetic that they only let their software work with peripherals they develop.

Zane Jul 2, 2008 (edited Jul 2, 2008)

Angela wrote:

"So, who's addicted to Guitar Hero?"  This guy, it would seem - enough to nail 100% on Expert "Through The Fires And Flames": … o-cha.html

I am not worthy.

"Hi, I'm Chris Chike and I have way too much time on my hands."

"Oh, hey! I'm some other guy having an orgasm off camera. Oh my gaaawwwwwd."

Angela Jul 2, 2008

Zane wrote:

"Hi, I'm Chris Chike and I have way too much time on my hands."

Yeah, you know you're jealous.

"Oh, hey! I'm some other guy having an orgasm off camera. Oh my gaaawwwwwd."

It's the same guy, genius.

Zane Jul 3, 2008

Angela wrote:
Zane wrote:

"Hi, I'm Chris Chike and I have way too much time on my hands."

Yeah, you know you're jealous.

"Oh, hey! I'm some other guy having an orgasm off camera. Oh my gaaawwwwwd."

It's the same guy, genius.

Ooooh, someone took that a little personally. Why don't you go relax and play some Guitar Hero to blow off some steam?

Angela Jul 3, 2008

Zane wrote:

Ooooh, someone took that a little personally.

Not really.  An immature response just seemed to call for an equally immature response right back.  Then I just corrected your wildly-off assumption about the camera.

Why don't you go relax and play some Guitar Hero to blow off some steam?

You're right.  I'll go ahead and play On Tour; it's sooooooo good.

Stephen Jul 3, 2008 (edited Jul 3, 2008)

I don't particularly like Guitar Hero after Activision took it over, but I have to agree with GoldfishX that the strum bar on the Rock Band guitar lacks any feedback mechanism.  It is difficult to hit notes on songs where there are a long of streaming notes back to back.  I purposely got an Guitar Hero II Xplorer guitar to use in Rock Band (Xbox 360 only).  I hope that Harmonix read the feedback about the guitar's strums and will correct this in the next generation.  Otherwise, I will just get a third-party guitar.  Harmonix said that they encourage and will work with third parties to make peripherals, unlike Activision, who seem to want people to use only the RedOctane guitars.

I wish Harmonix and RedOctane were owned by the same parent company so we can get the best of both worlds.

GoldfishX Jul 3, 2008

Stephen wrote:

I wish Harmonix and RedOctane were owned by the same parent company so we can get the best of both worlds.

In a way, I do too, but I like the idea of competition...Both companies trying to one-up the other (and Rock Revolution waiting in the wings...its' 80's-heavy soundtrack means I have to get it). Plus, I respect that Rock Band is a much lesser single player game than GH, so it depends what I'm in the mood for (although I still hate a good bit of the RB notecharts).

GoldfishX Jul 23, 2008 (edited Jul 23, 2008)

Rumored GH4 tracklist:

Eagle Rock High School Tour:
“Dope Nose” by Weezer
“The Middle” by Jimmy Eat World
Encore: “Today” by Smashing Pumpkins

Big City Kids Tour:
“Roland” by Interpol
“Santeria” By Sublime
Encore: “Mr. Brightside” by The Killers

Feelin’ Nostalgic Tour:
“Take It on the Run” by REO Speedwagon
“Hold the Line” by Toto
Encore: “Rebel Yell” by Billy Idol

Vixens Tour:
“Heartbreaker” by Pat Benatar
“All Around Me” by Flyleaf
Encore:”Misery Business” by Paramore

Undertow Tour:
“Stinkfist” by Tool
“Lateralus” by Tool
“Schism” by Tool

Synchronicity Tour:
“Guitar Battle Vs. Sting” (Guitar Career Only)
Encore: “Every Breath You Take” by The Police

Fight the System Tour:
“The Kids Aren’t Alright” by The Offspring
The Good Left Undone” by Rise Agaisnt
Encore: “Bleed it Out” by Linkin Park

QQ Tour:
“Face Down” by The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus
“The Kill” by 30 Seconds to Mars
Encore: “Thank You for the Venom” by My Chemical Romance

Rockin the Carnival Tour:
“Dammit” by Blink 182
“When You Heat Stops Beating” by +44

Neva’ Forget Tour:
“Jumpin Jack Flash” by The Rolling Stones
“Don’t Fear the Reaper” by Blue Öyster Cult
Encore: “Light My Fire” by The Doors

We Want the Funk Tour:
“Take it Away” by Red Hot Chili Peppers
“Renegades of Funk” by Rage Agaisnt the Machines
Encore: “No Sleep till Brooklyn” by The Beastie Boys Feat. Kerry King

Rockin’ the Joint Tour:
“Are You Gonna Go My Way” by Lenny Kravitz
“I Don’t wanna Miss a Thing” by Aerosmith

On Top of the World Tour:
“Man in the Box” by Alice in Chains
“Kickstart My Heart” by Mötley Crüe
Encore: “Spin the Black Circle” by Pearl Jam

G. Stinger Tour:
“Smells Like Teen Spirit” by Nirvana
“Car Chase City” by Tenacious D
Encore: “Everlong” by Foo Fighters

Lands End Tour:
“Animal” by Def Leppard
“Runaway” by Bon Jovi
Encore: “Paradise City” by Guns N’ Roses

Doin’ it Different Tour:
“Song for the Dead” by Queens of the Stone Age
“Vasoline” by Stone Temple Pilots
Encore: “Assassin” by Muse

Hootin’ and Hollerin’ Tour:
“The Boys Are Back in Town” By Thin Lizzy
“Life in the Fastlane” by The Eagles
Encore:”Sweet Home Alabama” by Lynyrd Skynyrd

All Pissed Off Tour:
“Here to Stay” by KoRn
“Dragula” by Rob Zombie
Encore: “Bat Country” by Avenged Sevenfold

Here Me Roar Tour:
“10,000 Fists” by Disturbed
“Duality” by Slipknot
Encore: “Toxicity” by System of a Down

S.D.M.F. Tour:
“Guitar Battle Vs. Zakk Wylde” (Guitar Career Only)
*Encore: “Demise of Sanity” by Black Label Society

Fathers of Metal Tour:
“Don’t Talk to Strangers” by Dio
“Heaven and Hell” by Black Sabbath
Encore: “Crazy Train” by Ozzy Osbourne

Making Progress Tour:
“The Spirit of Radio” by Rush
“Comfortably Numb” by Pink Floyd
Encore: “Pull Me Under” by Dream Theatre

Eruption Tour:
“Beat it” by Micheal Jackson Feat. Eddie Van Halen
“Hot for Teacher” by Van Halen

Tooth Fang & Claw Tour:
“Guitar Battle Vs. Ted Nugent” (Guitar Career Only)
Encore: “Stranglehold” by Ted Nugent

Decades of Metal Tour
“Warriors of Time” by Black Tide
“Leather Rebel” by Judas Priest
Encore: “Hallowed be Thy Name” by Iron Maiden

Livin’ in a Nightmare Tour:
“Angel of Death” by Slayer
“Tornado of Souls” by Megadeth
Encore: “Master of Puppets” by Metallica

Legends of Rock Tour:
“Johnny B. Goode” by Chuck Berry
“The Wind Cries Mary” by Jimi Hendrix
Encore: “Purple Haze (Live)” by Jimi Hendrix

Bonus Tour:
“45″ by Shinedown
“96 Quite Bitter Beings” by CKY
“Bombshell” by Powerman 5000
“Clavado en un Bar” by Maná
“Enjoy the Silence” by Lacuna Coil
“Feuer Frei” by Rammstein
“Fury of the Storm” by Dragonforce
“Never Too Late” by The Answer
“Nottingham Lace” by Buckethead
“One Armed Scissor” by At The Drive-In
“Satch Boogie” by Joe Satriani
“Schrei” by Tokio Hotel
“Soul Doubt” by NOFX

“We’re An American Band” by Grand Funk Railroad
“Guitar Battle Vs. Sting” by Sting
“Guitar Battle Vs. Ted Nugent” By Ted Nugent
“Guitar Battle Vs. Zakk Wylde” by Zakk Wylde

Sample Songs:
“Untitled Drum Sample” created by Chad Smith
“Untitled Drum Sample” created by Dave Grohl
“Untitled Drum Sample” created by Travis Barker
“Cliffs of Dover” created by Neversoft
“Misirlou” created by Neversoft
“Walk This Way” created by Neversoft
“YYZ” created by Neversoft

Wow, if this true, they went for the teeth in some of those...Not even saving Master of Puppets for GH: Metallica is a good sign of that. Hallowed be Thy Name, Crazy Train, Leather Rebel (THE most underrated JP song ever, IMO and probably my favorite after Electric Eye), Teen Spirit (the ONLY Nirvana song I like..."In Bloom" not counting, since I had to learn how to use the RB drums/mic on it and it grew on me) RB dupes suck (bleh...) and some in there I'm not crazy about but ****...the classics definitely make up for it. I think this may be a declaration of war on Harmonix (whose tracklist is quite good as well).

lol, Angel of Death. Activision now has to fend off accusations of being pro-Nazi (I'm surprised they would take this one on...War Ensemble or Seasons of the Abyss would probably be far less of a hassle and just as effective, gameplay-wise). That song is going to mangle guitar controllers...Can't wait for the vocals!

Final thought: Seeing what they made for sample songs, might we be seeing many user-creater VGM rock songs? No vocals for the most part, instantly recognizable, tailor-made for GH...Hmm, the mind boggles. I'll take a round of Guilty Gear X:Heavy Rock  Tracks (W/ ability to redo bass/drums!) or F-Zero X on GH, please. Or even NES tunes just transcribed to guitar? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...*drools uncontrollably*

Carl Jul 25, 2008

allyourbaseare wrote:


How'd they get Tool?  Awesome.  Just might push it into "buy" territory.

Money?  Everything Can Be Bought for the right price.

allyourbaseare Jul 25, 2008

Still don't know how they intend to implement double-bass (Schism comes to mind), but I guess we'll see.

Stephen Jul 25, 2008

Activision and RedOctane announced that the GHWT list is fake.   GH fans will ahve to go back to speculating again.

GoldfishX Jul 25, 2008

I suspected as much (guitar battle vs, he doesn't play guitar! And no way Angel of Death would be greenlighted for a game like this), but you can't blame me for hoping. And it did seem plausible for the most part...Hopefully the REAL tracklist gets people as excited.

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