Soundtrack Central The best classic game music and more

Angela Apr 18, 2008

I'm calling this thread.  :)  My most anticipated game soundtrack of the year thus far, the fourth and apparently final installment of the main Metal Gear Solid series is being headed up by Harry Gregson-Williams and Konami's Nobuko Toda.  (Though I wouldn't be surprised if we see contributions from other composers on Konami's side as well as Harry's, like series mainstay Akihiro Honda or Steve Jablonsky.)

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Soundtrack Info courtesy of Game Music Revolution:

METAL GEAR SOLID 4 GUNS OF THE PATRIOTS ORIGINAL SOUNDTRACKS
Catalogue Number  GFCA-98~9
Publisher   Konami
Composition   Harry Gregson-Williams, Nobuko Toda
First Printing   May 28, 2008
Price   2900 Yen

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If you missed the samples featured on Konami's official Launch Timer site, you can check them out in this thread here.  Likewise, there's a new piece of apparently leaked music that's also making the rounds.  It's being dubbed "Vamp's Boss Battle" and though I can't exactly substantiate the claim that it's real, it does sound very stylistically Metal Gear, and awfully damned good to boot.  I made a recording of that as well, which you can grab here:

MGS4 - Vamp? :
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/angie_liu … +4&.view=l

Three things I'm hoping.  That: 1) Because the soundtrack is hitting a full two weeks before the worldwide release of the game, the tracklisting won't be spoiler-heavy.  2) I can resist the urge to listen to the soundtrack before completing the game..... not bloody likely!  >_<  And 3) In light of the still-unresolved rumors of  'plagiarism' that the "Metal Gear Solid Main Theme" - the trademark piece of the MGS series - will make an appearance in the game.

Alex Apr 19, 2008

According to the Music4Games interview with Norihiko Hibino, he and his staff also contributed some music.  It was a super vague reference at the very end, but it's something.

Yes, I definitely want to hear the Metal Gear Solid theme in this soundtrack too.  I agree it is a little too close to that 1970s Russian music for comfort, but it's still a brilliant theme and Metal Gear Solid wouldn't be the same without it.

YesAsia (http://us.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept.aspx/co ... 0896816/) and Play-Asia (http://www.play-asia.com/SOap-23-83-a5a … 43-9v.html) have their pre-orders going, but there's no cover art or track list yet.  I'm sticking with YesAsia since they're offering it for 50¢ less and they have free shipping, but I'm guessing a lot of people are going to be getting the collector's edition that comes with the soundtrack, right?

And thanks for the music clips -- great stuff!

the_miker Apr 19, 2008

Alex wrote:

According to the Music4Games interview with Norihiko Hibino, he and his staff also contributed some music.  It was a super vague reference at the very end, but it's something.

Awesome.  I was getting a little worried that Hibino wasn't involved at all.  Hope he did quite a few tracks as I love his jazzy stuff, fits Metal Gear perfectly if you ask me.

Thanks for the samples too.  Also, anybody with a PS3 can hear a few tracks from Metal Gear Online right now since the beta starts on Monday.  The first two menu tracks kick ass, very MGS2-ish so it could be Hibino but who knows.  There's no concrete info anywhere about who did the music for MGO, right?

-Mike

Angela Apr 19, 2008

Hibino's on board for MGS4 after all?  Oh, that is truly the peachiest plum.  ^_^  Arcubalis, didn't you inquire in this thread if Hibino was contributing?  I can't think of a better source than from the horse's mouth itself; you did conduct that Music4Games interview, didn't you?

I've gotta go ahead and make a recording of those MGO tracks, too.  (And not to veer off topic, but have you all been able to meet the excessive requirements for the beta?  I still need to do the 1.01 update and create a Konami ID.  They're certainly not making it easy, are they?)

KujaFFman Apr 20, 2008

Angela wrote:

I've gotta go ahead and make a recording of those MGO tracks, too.  (And not to veer off topic, but have you all been able to meet the excessive requirements for the beta?  I still need to do the 1.01 update and create a Konami ID.  They're certainly not making it easy, are they?)

It took me 3 hours to download the update through P2P (which was recommended because the HTTP download was supposed to be slow, haha), but the worst was yet to come: getting a Konami ID! I recommend you try getting this right now on http://id.konami.net . Be warned, though: I got plenty of errors, which forced me to try numerous times before FINALLY obtaining the precious code.

As far as Hibino's involvement in MGS4 is concerned, I wonder if the soundtrack will feature the piece of music he composed for the very first teaser of the game.

Chris Apr 20, 2008 (edited Apr 20, 2008)

The confirmation about Hibino's involvement wasn't vague in my opinion, even if he could have elaborated. He said:

"The GEM Impact staff and I have just finished Metal Gear Solid 4, which we weren’t even supposed to work on at first."

I'm a bit worried about Nobuko Toda taking such a big role. I believe he was simply a sound effects designer prior to this, although I've seen convincing transitions from the role before.

Angela Apr 20, 2008

Chris wrote:

I'm a bit worried about Nobuko Toda taking such a big role. I believe he was simply a sound effects designer prior to this, although I've seen convincing transitions from the role before.

Toda's a "she", actually. ;)  Fool me once, shame on me..... 

She did some work on the two Metal Gear Ac!d scores.  Her tracks were my least favorite from those scores, but she's definitely got the MG sound element down.  I'm certain she'll be in good hands under longtime sound director Kazuki Muraoka.

Angela Apr 20, 2008

Angela wrote:

I've gotta go ahead and make a recording of those MGO tracks, too.

..... Aaaand done.  I grabbed the title theme as well as two of the three menu BGMs.  (I still need to record the one that plays at the User Agreement screen.)

MGO - Title, Menu 1, Menu 2:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/angie_liu … +4&.view=l

KujaFFman May 11, 2008 (edited May 11, 2008)

I have added some info and the tracklist here:

http://www.vgmdb.net/db/albums.php?id=7633

No real spoilers (the track titles are vague) apart from the order of the boss fights with the Beauty and the Beast. It appears the sound team is much larger than we expected: Gregson-Williams contributed 13 tracks, but most of the soundtrack was handled by Nobuko Toda, Shuichi Kobori and Kazuma Jinnouchi. GEM Impact members Yoshitaka Suzuki and Takahiro Izutani lend a hand, but it seems Hibino did not compose anything.

I'm extremely pleased Lisbeth Scott is singing on this soundtrack. I love her song "Where" from the first Narnia movie. Well, I suppose HGW composed this song.

Also, I wonder if the last tracks from disc 2 are from Metal Gear Online.

Herrkotowski May 11, 2008

Thanks for that! I do know that Toda was responsible for Love Theme, at least according to Brawl, which credits the arranger and the original artist for it.

Angela May 11, 2008

Thanks for the deluge of album info, Kuja!  Yes, there doesn't appear to be spoilers, thank goodness.  I'm a little disappointed that Akihiro Honda didn't have more of a hand here, but the presence of Kobori, Jinnouchi, and Suzuki is most welcome; they pulled off some pretty excellent material in Portable Ops.

Lisbeth Scott looks to be an appropriate choice, and at least confirms that there's going to be at least one more vocal piece in the game.  Plus, it's great that we now have a name associated to the Love Theme with Jackie Presti.  The theme's really grown on me, and it should be a treat to hear the full seven minute treatment.

The lack of a "Metal Gear Solid Main Theme" track worries me, but I'm holding out hope that it'll still be integrated within other songs.

Herrkotowski May 11, 2008

Perhaps "Old Snake" is the Main Theme just arranged and titled differently...we can hope, right?!!!!

XISMZERO May 11, 2008

No jazzy theme music this time around i.e. no Hibino? And did I see Sota on there? Man, where he been lately? Always enjoy the vocal Metal Gear tracks, hope it keeps with the tradition of classy.

Chris May 11, 2008 (edited May 11, 2008)

Thanks for the confirmation of Nobuko Toda's gender. Interesting track listings -- I wonder if we'll get individual credits eventually for the Konami Sound Team tracks. Disappointing about Hibino -- maybe people were right to note his vagueness in the interview. As for Sota Fujimori, he's worked extensively on the recent Winning Eleven / Pro Evolution Soccer titles.

Angela May 11, 2008

Herrkotowski wrote:

Perhaps "Old Snake" is the Main Theme just arranged and titled differently...we can hope, right?!!!!

Much as I would love that, I believe "Old Snake" was confirmed to be the track featured during the TGS 2006 trailer.  I made an edited recording from a cleaner source; the length of the recording certainly matches that of Kuja's tracklisting.

MGS4 - Old Snake (Trailer Version):
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/angie_liu … +4&.view=l

Chris May 12, 2008

Some of those samples are just incredible. I really dig "Old Snake" and the "Love Theme". I guess this trailer music is distinct from the E3 music Norihiko Hibino composed.

Pellasos May 12, 2008

im keeping myself away from this until i beat the game.

its more fun to experience the music in context and i want to prevent spoilers smile

Arcubalis May 12, 2008

He didn't really elaborate in the interview, and hasn't since.  If anything, it sounds like he may have done some production or supplied some old tracks from his past involvement, but I'm simply guessing at this point.

Chris May 13, 2008

As stated before, Yoshitaka Suzuki and Takahiro Izutani are both his employees at GEM Impact so any project they're involved in also involves him as a producer. While GEM Impact seems to have affiliated rather than resident members, Suzuki and Izutani are resident employees. I hope this isn't his only role, but we'll see.

Angela May 14, 2008

I went ahead and updated the GMR entry with the new album information.  Also, it looks like the front cover is revealed:

http://www.konamistyle.jp/ecitem/item48308.html

It definitely looks like it'll be housed in a super jewel case, and it's using the same shot of Snake that's featured on the standard U.S. edition game cover.

Pellasos May 14, 2008

im not a big fan of that cover sad

Zane May 14, 2008

Pellasos wrote:

im not a big fan of that cover sad

Likewise. I still think MGS3 had the best cover of the series' CDs. That slipcase and green jewel case... very nice!

Angela May 15, 2008

So just a heads-up that Konami's done a major overhaul of their official MGS4 website.  Lots of goodies to be found (check that: to be unlocked, via the DP system), including wallpapers, screensavers, movies, and a sampling of the first few portions of gameplay:

http://www.konami.jp/mgs4/us/top.html

But the most exciting thing, at least as far as this thread is concerned, are brand new music samples!  These, too, have to be unlocked through the website, but I've taken the liberty of doing just that, as well as doing up a recording.  There are eight tracks so far, and I've put them up for download in a .zip format.

MGS4 - OST Samples:
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/angie_liu … +4&.view=l 

They're sounding damned good.  Haven Troopers and Sin are my faves, though I noticed that the tracks "War Economy," Front Line," and "Nano Machine" don't seem to featured on the Original Soundtracks listing that we know so far.

Chris May 15, 2008

I'm not sure if everyone knew this already, but I finally found out why the Metal Gear Solid main theme has been essentially scrapped in recent productions (quoted from Metal Gear Wiki):

Shortly before the release of Portable Ops, someone on the Internet discovered a song by Classical Russian composer Georgy Vasilevich Sviridov, named The Winter Road. The Metal Gear community was in an up-roar at how similar the song was to the Metal Gear Solid Main Theme, and requested the song be shown to Hideo Kojima. Eventually, a YouTube video emerged of a group of people showing the song to Hideo, with Hideo giving a very surprised reaction. Since then the Theme Motif was removed from the Portable Ops Main theme (the original, with the Motif, appeared in an E3 Trailer, and the version with no Motif played after "Calling To The Night" during the games ending credits, and appears on the Portable Ops OST as the track "Show Time") and was even removed from the Snake Eater Version of the theme on the Metal Gear 20th Anniversary Music Collection (it was replaced with "The World Needs Only One Big Boss!" from Metal Gear Solid 2). With this in mind, the Motif is not likely to appear in Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns Of The Patriots.

The painful interview can be seen here:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dTcNUoxCmHI&feature=related

Unbelievably similar. I was really confused by the Metal Gear 20th Anniversary CD omission of the theme and now I understand.

Pellasos May 15, 2008

ive seen that video and i dont like it. simply because its most likely the reason they scrapped the best song in the series, secondly its not very fair to expose somebody in front of a camera. its like they caught him with his pants down, he was clearly embarrassed.

Angela May 15, 2008

Well, now this is a most intriguing development.  Konami's made an announcement regarding the North America 40GB Limited Edition PS3, which essentially includes the Gun Metal Grey colored model, a Dual Shock 3, and the limited edition version of MGS4.  Besides learning about the exclusive bonus Blu-ray disc (two hours worth of behind-the-scenes content), they also reveal that the other additional bonus, the soundtrack CD, will include 16 never-before-released tracks by Harry Gregson-Williams, Nobuko Toda, and....... Ennio Morricone??

http://www.konami-data.com/GamersDay/2008/

Of course, the prospect of sixteen additional tracks not already included in the official Original Soundtracks release is exciting, assuming this isn't marketing hyperbole from Konami....... but news of Morricone's involvement comes straight outta left field.  If it's true, I'm calling it right now: Ocelot's Theme 2008! ;)

XLord007 May 18, 2008

Angela wrote:

Konami's made an announcement regarding the North America 40GB Limited Edition PS3

Sorry, I gotta call balls on this.  No way I'm paying $600 just to get a gray system if it's only 40 GB.  The $500 MGS4 bundle has the 80 GB.

the_miker May 18, 2008

Angela wrote:

Ennio Morricone

Now that's an interesting twist.  The only things I really know him for are The Thing and some classic Lucio Fulci films.  Maybe they hired him to create a new MGS Main Theme since the one we know and love is all scandalous now.

-Mike

Fei May 26, 2008

Are there any differences in the non-first press releases? I noticed CDJ is sold out of first press. I'm not sure if Amazon is or not, does anyone know if Amazon is still selling the first press?

Angela May 27, 2008

Fei wrote:

Are there any differences in the non-first press releases? I noticed CDJ is sold out of first press. I'm not sure if Amazon is or not, does anyone know if Amazon is still selling the first press?

Dunno if future press releases will be housed in the super jewel case format or not.  They seemed to be marketing the first press as an exclusive for such.

The Japanese iTunes Store has the entire official soundtrack up for download and sampling.  Or, you can check out the twenty-five minute mp3 sample that was cobbled together from said source:

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=K816XBZU

Awful hisses and pops aside, the samples offer a pretty good feel of the score's overall sound.  It's definitely harder and edgier than MGS3, more akin to the techno-orchestration flavor of MGS2.   Many of the tracks are very staccato-driven, and I think the addition of the choir shouts gives the soundtrack a very interesting identity.

To speak of the "Metal Gear Solid Main Theme" - the bad news is, at least from what the samples reveal, there doesn't appear to be a shred of the original melody left at all.  At this point, it can probably be safe to assume that the theme is really and truly a thing of the past.  May it rest in peace, ashes to ashes, dust to dust -- and a small part of me died inside.  -_-; 

On the other hand, the track labeled "Metal Gear Saga" features a fully extended variation of the introduction part of the MGS3 Version - which was an incredible cue in its own right.  Not a bad consolation, actually; you can check out the full track featured on Youtube.

Youtube - Metal Gear Saga:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZWY7E2KVMTI

I'll have a more detailed write-up once I've received and listened through the entire score.  So far, though, it sounds appetizingly promising. :)

Angela May 27, 2008

Right, and one more tidbit.  This one is regarding the soundtrack bonus disc included with the Limited Edition of the game.  Someone handed this track listing to me, claiming that these are the sixteen featured songs:   

01 Haven Troopers
02 Drebin 893
03 Call Me Hal
04 Confrontation
05 Sin
06 War Economy
07 Front Line
08 Nano Machines
09 Cutscene 1
10 Cutscene 2
11 SP Mission 01 - Start
12 SP Mission 01 - BGM
13 SP Mission 01 - Victory 1
14 SP Mission 01 - Victory 2
15 SP Mission 01 - Game Over
16 Love Theme (Brawl Meets Suicidal Snake Mix)

It's not all "never-before-released", but eleven out of sixteen ain't bad either.  The SP Mission 01 tracks appear to be culled from the online mini-game that you can play on Konami's official site, but the new "Love Theme" mix is the most curious.  Could it be some new arrangement of the Super Smash Bros. Brawl version?

Chris May 28, 2008 (edited May 28, 2008)

This is just an already released and very short unofficial compilation of trailer music compiled by Video Games Scrapbook. They try to pass it off as more than it is -- it's not the Limited Edition music. You can download it and read a review at SEMO, but you've probably heard the tracks already.

Angela May 29, 2008 (edited Jun 15, 2008)

As I anxiously wait for my copy to arrive, the iTunes version has at least slaked my thirst for the latest MGS sound.  I've listened through the score twice, and while I can't say it has the instant appeal of MGS3 (still the very best Metal Gear soundtrack, in my opinion), MGS4 has grown on me very quickly.

As said, the overall sound is harder and edgier than MGS3 - and any Metal Gear soundtrack to date, really.  Stylistically, it's more like AC!D and Portable Ops, as Toda and gang rely heavily on suspenseful rhythmic percussion, sharp staccato punctuation and a rawer, more relentless industrial-techno sound.  Long-time series listeners will come to the conclusion that MGS4 is much less melody-friendly than past entries, but that doesn't make the listening experience any less visceral and adrenaline pumping. 

There are some really incredible action cues, such as the new Alert/Caution themes.  It looks like they've designated said themes to the last few tracks on disc 2 (tracks 18 through 27); I know that "War Zone" and "A Rebellion Rests" are the alert and caution for the opening Middle East location, so it stands to reason that the remaining eight tracks follow the rest of the four areas that Snake will visit throughout the game.  I'm really digging "The Hunter/The Hunted" and "For Liberty/Surrounded."   Following the insanely creepy voice-induced "BB Corps" introductory track are the rest of the Beauty and the Beast unit's battle themes.  They unfortunately don't come anywhere near the greatness of past battles like Yell Dead Cell! or any of the Cobra unit fights, but they certainly have their moments.  "Raging Raven" is actually really, really good.  (Have I mentioned how much I love those choir shouts and chants?  They add such a cool element to the score - almost a primal feel, a juxtaposition to the mostly modern, futuristic sound palette.)

Gregson-Williams' contributions prove to be an especially invaluable component.  They are really good this time around, bringing the bulk of the orchestral element to the table, along with his usual panache for militaristic-industrial.  For those wondering, every piece featured in the various trailers are featured on the soundtrack, and it's awesome to finally hear them in unabridged form.  They're all excellent, but "Desperate Chase" in particular just might be one of the greatest action pieces featured in a MGS score yet.  The final few tracks leading up to the ending are a blend of sorrow and inspiration, almost on par to MGS3's Debriefing.  It's interesting to note, however, that there isn't an underlying main theme to be heard throughout the score.  As prominent as "Old Snake" and "Love Theme" are by opening up the soundtrack with, there's nary a trace of their melodies heard ever again.

And then there's the ending vocal itself.  Kuja had it right with "Here's To You" - it is indeed based off the Sacco and Vanzetti Morricone original, rearranged by Gregson-Williams and sung by Lisbeth Scott.  It's an interesting and seemingly appropriate choice for Snake's swan song - the single featured verse is repeated throughout the course of its near-six minute length, soothingly resonating with the audience of Snake's intended fate.  I think the song - no, more like the tribute - could go over really well.

Two asides: Now that the OST is officially out, I'm taking down any previous sample tracks from the Briefcase.  The other thing is that the track "Vamp" didn't look to be a part of MGS4 after all.  It's too bad, as I've grown to really like the piece, whatever it was.

Chris May 29, 2008

I still haven't fully assimilated the Konami Sound Team tracks, but I'm delighted like Angela with Harry Gregson-Williams' contributions here. After my quite publicised disappointment about his music on MGS2, I feel he's improved greatly with time. I loved his work on MGS3 and this is probably even better. I'm also really pleased with GEM Impact's contributions and what appears to be a Hibino co-composition. I'm missing the symphonic jazz with the greater electronica focus, but this album definitely lives up to the hype.

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